Scam Schools And Diploma Mills - page 4

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Several generations ago, a high school education had been sufficient enough to land a good position. An individual could graduate from high school, find an entry-level job, remain with the same place of employment for thirty to... Read More


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    Quote from TheCommuter
    I found something interesting while browsing online last night. Click on the link below to read the disclosure statement of a popular for-profit school that advertises heavily on the local TV stations in my area.

    http://disclosures.everest.edu/discl...-jonesboro.pdf

    All of their training programs exceed $14,000 in tuition and have relatively low job placement percentages. The patient care technician (PCT) program has a $16,000 tuition attached to it. I'm not referring to this particular school as a 'scam school' or 'diploma mill,' but their training programs lead to relatively low-paying careers.
    I personally WOULD call this school (Everest) a scam school. Many people have been misled by the school when they enroll in their programs. Many don't realize how much they are going to end up paying or that their credits won't transfer out of the school. True, students should be doing their due diligence about these schools before they sign on the dotted line, but a school like this is not exactly forthcoming about their details if it means they will lose out a potential tuition-paying student. And to be honest, does one really want to attend a school that approves TV commercials like these? It says nothing about the quality of the program or the potential of success in the workplace with an Everest degree. I have to change the channel every time it comes on.


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    Quote from TheCommuter
    I found something interesting while browsing online last night. Click on the link below to read the disclosure statement of a popular for-profit school that advertises heavily on the local TV stations in my area.

    http://disclosures.everest.edu/discl...-jonesboro.pdf

    All of their training programs exceed $14,000 in tuition and have relatively low job placement percentages. The patient care technician (PCT) program has a $16,000 tuition attached to it. I'm not referring to this particular school as a 'scam school' or 'diploma mill,' but their training programs lead to relatively low-paying careers.
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    WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT??????

    My associates degree cost 12K and I thought that was obscene
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    Hey TheCommuter! Thanks for your input. It give me something to think about for sure. However, I was warned to find out if the school is in danger of being shut down first. That is not easy information to find! I will put what you said to heart because I do want to continue on with my education at some point. I would hate though to be prevented from doing so because I graduated from a private technical school. But from what I understand, I can still go to school with my LPN license? So the school name does not matter? Thanks so much for your help!
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    Quote from JulesDreamyT
    Hey TheCommuter! Thanks for your input. It give me something to think about for sure. However, I was warned to find out if the school is in danger of being shut down first. That is not easy information to find! I will put what you said to heart because I do want to continue on with my education at some point. I would hate though to be prevented from doing so because I graduated from a private technical school. But from what I understand, I can still go to school with my LPN license? So the school name does not matter? Thanks so much for your help!
    I completed an LPN program at a private trade school and was able to enroll in an RN completion program. However, I took all of my prerequisite classes at a local community college.
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    Quote from Paco69
    I personally WOULD call this school (Everest) a scam school. Many people have been misled by the school when they enroll in their programs. Many don't realize how much they are going to end up paying or that their credits won't transfer out of the school. True, students should be doing their due diligence about these schools before they sign on the dotted line, but a school like this is not exactly forthcoming about their details if it means they will lose out a potential tuition-paying student. And to be honest, does one really want to attend a school that approves TV commercials like these? It says nothing about the quality of the program or the potential of success in the workplace with an Everest degree. I have to change the channel every time it comes on.


    I agree. I think Everest is a scam! I know a few people who graduated & thankfully they found jobs but they're low paying IMO(average pay: $14/hr)considering the debt they are in from this school.

    Interesting, thanks to youtube I discovered the young lady in the commercial was NOT an actor. But she had a scholarship to attend Everest. And she mentioned on Dr. Phil that she received another scholarship to go to nursing school.
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    what about Keiser university?
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    I have never met anyone in academia or in Nursing leadership who holds a U of P degree in esteem. Perhaps someone with a solid track record and years of experience will not be hurt by a degree from there, but it seems to be a waste of money for many others, because it provides no real advantage.

    For PhDs they are famous for dragging out the process to get more and more $$. I know someone who has been working away at it for over 5 years and still is not sure he will get the Ok to do the research work he needs to complete this degree. After a masters and doctoral work there, this person is well past $100K in debt and is rounding the corner toward $150K. Interestingly, I have yet to see this person use these advanced degrees to develop new content or approaches to his job. Seems like a lot of $$ and work to purchase a degree from an institution that gets little respect from many. He could have finished a doctoral degree from a well established local school by now; at least two local nationally respected programs are now fully or partially online as well.

    I think some people are lured to these programs false promises that it won't take very long, by the online aspects, no stats requirement, and because they may not need a stellar undergrad GPA or high GRE scores to get in. Sad. Why not apply and take a few courses while waiting for admission, concentrate on doing really well in them, to show you can do the work. Then use that to compensate for the lower GRE scores or GPA.

    I don't wish this person's experience on anyone.
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    I was recently asked to help a graduate nursing student in an online program with a paper on a topic in my specialty, this class being on that specialty and she found me via my website. When I asked, she told me that the professor is not a (specialty) and doesn't know anything about it. I was pretty po'd that somebody could be in nursing graduate school taking a course in (specialty) taught by someone who isn't one and doesn't know squat about it.

    I ended up contacting the "professor" who freely admitted not knowing anything about it. She gave her students an online reference (one that was completely inappropriate for nursing) and expected them to complete their major class assignment with it as a template. Then she sent me a paper to critique, and it was completely pathetic, had nothing whatsoever to do with (specialty). She offered to pay me for the time I spend doing it, but I never saw a dime from her. Not that I expected it... but I did spend some good time pointing out the major flaws in the whole thing. Oh, it was bad...and again, for graduate school credit in my field, taught by someone who knows nothing about it, not the education, not the process, not the certifications, not anything.

    I have two colleagues, one with a 6-month "credit for life experience" "PhD" from one school that was closed for fraud (but she still claims the degree on her website and on her sig line in emails), and another who is out about fifty grand halfway into a PhD program but whose papers are nonsense on the face of them. She knows it but says her faculty loves them. I have no respect whatsoever for a program like that...and I'm afraid that a degree from this sort of thing is going to queer the deal for those of us who earned real ones, doing real research, working with real professionals, increasing the pool of knowledge in our profession, not just doing online "courses" with little discourse.

    I'm starting to hear stirrings about looking at this whole online degree thing as an idea whose time has gone, based on the poor quality of the education they deliver. They prey on people's urge to finish quickly, with less effort than a real school, they cost an arm and a leg, and in the long run I'm afraid most recipients of these "degrees" will be found out to be ... well, frauds may be too strong a word, but certainly not qualified.
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    Wow. You should call the Attorney General. That's obnoxious.

    My home state has a school that lost their accreditation and crashed and burned. They continued taking students not telling them that they weren't accredited. Half their students are suing for the trouble they're having to go through to get transferred into another school.
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    These schools really bother me for two reasons:


    1. They prey on the students that want to get into nursing but don't have the academics. The students should know better but they are blinded.

    2. Most if these students take federal loans then default when they fail out or don't pass the NCLEX. We end up paying for them in taxes and the schools just pocket the money.
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