Opinions Please! Long Story - page 4

Ok....... 2 weeks ago during my AP Class muscles pratical, a girl in my class asked me for an answer on the written portion of the pratical and I gave her the answer. Whatever.... maybe I shouldn't... Read More

  1. by   researchrabbit
    Originally posted by researchrabbit
    I've never liked the term "tattle tale". Whistleblower is probably a better term.

    And in a professional capacity, you may have to be the whistleblower -- on someone who is using substances at work, being abusive to patients, or otherwise not fulfilling the responsibilities of the job. And someone will probably throw the "tattle tale" tag at you EVEN THOUGH if you knew and didn't tell, you would be liable too.

    People who have made mistakes don't want to take responsibility for them, so somehow the mistake becomes the fault of the person who blew the whistle (in other words, the person who made the original mistake becomes the victim).
    (I see this tendency even in myself, and have to fight against it).

    It's never easy to blow the whistle (as you can see by what happened to your study partner).

    I cheated on a test once. I was in the 2nd grade, and KNEW I couldn't spell "train" so I wrote it on a tiny piece of paper and held it in my lap and then chewed it up. I was never caught and never confessed but I felt so bad about it that I never cheated again. I even use a cover sheet when I take tests so that no one else is even tempted.

    Rationalization -- finding a reason to make our mistakes OK -- is SO easy. It is a rare, very rare person who has not ever used that particular escape in some area of their lives, either for themselves or for a significant other or children.

    It is important to be able to recognize it because once one begins the slide down that slippery slope, it is harder and harder to accept responsibility for one's actions.

    OH NO!! NOT ANOTHER LIFE LEARNING LESSON!!!!

    Take care!

  2. by   researchrabbit
    oops, sorry, meant to edit the original post!
  3. by   kittyw
    Researchrabbit ... you said it much better than I did.
  4. by   researchrabbit
    Thanks kitty! (blushing) and you said it pretty well yourself.
  5. by   nursing 101
    So I guess everybody here has reported either a student cheating or a nurse stealing narcotics (which I would also report).
    Maybe it's the big bad world I'm living in because in most classes and hospitals and work place someone has done something that had to be reported! But you know, most people don't! Not because they don't know, they just don't want to get involved.

    Kardut and research rabbit, please go on and save the world, tell on every single person you can imagine that has tried to cheat or not. (And I don't mean it sarcastically) We just need more people like you guys that aren't as hypocrite as little old me!

    Kardut,
    Please read my post before you reply, as I said more than once GIVING ONE ANSWER IS CHEATING AND IT IS WRITTEN IN THE SCHOOL HANDBOOK! I WOULD TAKE FULL REPSONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS IF I WOULD GET CAUGHT CHEATING AND YES THAT INCLUDES GETTING KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL. AS STATED MANY TIMES "ME, MYSELF AND I' WE DON'T THINK THAT GIVING ONE ANSWER IS CHEATING.
    And yes I'll probably go for it.
    Oh! and tattle tales are still pathetic!
    Flame suit is on and I'm ready to be burned...
    Later,
    : )
  6. by   nursing 101
    Sorry research rabbit... I din't mean to write your name in my post it was intended for Kitty W... Again I apologize... I couldn't edit it for some reason.
  7. by   kittyw
    Yes, but I can sleep at night and look in the mirror and still respect myself.
  8. by   rebelwaclause
    Most nurses sleep good at night! (hahahahaha)...

    I'm sorry...Just thought I'd put some humor on all this bickering back and fourth about who should and shouldn't go to hell for minor stuff. Sounds like self-righteous judging...to me.

    What have you done that I can stone you about?

    (Sigh...) I'm glad humanity in general doesn't have a heaven or a hell to put me in...
    Last edit by rebelwaclause on Dec 9, '02
  9. by   natsfanrn
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by nursing 101

    Maybe it's the big bad world I'm living in because in most classes and hospitals and work place someone has done something that had to be reported! But you know, most people don't! Not because they don't know, they just don't want to get involved.


    Now tell me honestly -- do you really think "not wanting to get involved" is justification for not taking any action? Yes, I know a surprising number of people do think that way, but that's a scary thought nevertheless.

    Kardut and research rabbit, please go on and save the world, tell on every single person you can imagine that has tried to cheat or not. (And I don't mean it sarcastically) We just need more people like you guys that aren't as hypocrite as little old me!

    No, I don't run around class searching for cheaters, real or imagined, and jumping up and down with joy when I find one and get to report him or her. In fact, I've never had the occasion to, and honestly don't know what I'd do if I did. But just as your values enable you to justify sharing an answer, my values prohibit me from accepting cheating. And I've been in the big bad world long enough to know that what may seem like minor fudging here and there can have major implications...

    Please read my post before you reply, as I said more than once GIVING ONE ANSWER IS CHEATING AND IT IS WRITTEN IN THE SCHOOL HANDBOOK! I WOULD TAKE FULL REPSONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS IF I WOULD GET CAUGHT CHEATING AND YES THAT INCLUDES GETTING KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL. AS STATED MANY TIMES "ME, MYSELF AND I' WE DON'T THINK THAT GIVING ONE ANSWER IS CHEATING.

    I understood what you wrote the first time, but I'm sorry, I just have a hard time comprehending how you can admit that an action is cheating and is considered an expellable offense by the school, then go on to say that YOU don't consider it cheating. Do you REALLY in your heart not consider it cheating, or are you simply justifying an action?

    No response required here; I'm sure you, like I, have finals to study for...we can just agree to disagree
  10. by   kikibug
    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.....thats all i have to say.
  11. by   kikibug
    Oh, wait....rstewart don't judge me or the others based on what we believe. Everyone has the right to say whatever it is they want to say about the subject, and whatever it is that you think about my opinion I could really care less. We have the right to our own opinion, after all we are in America here...so please back off...
  12. by   kittyw
    We're not casting stones, but taking responsiblity for our actions (BIG difference)... not blaming innocent others for reporting the cheating. As I said I can sleep at night and DON'T blame others for my failures in life. Hmmmm .... can those people in the A&P class say that? You're entitled to your own opinion, but those people are showing signs that they are troubled with what happened - not because of what they did, but because they got CAUGHT. I don't blame the police officer when I get a speeding ticket (after all I was breaking the law whether or not I agreed with it) ... they would call him a *&^. I still think an apology is in order.

    And, if I may ask, why don't you think of this as cheating? Is it because you think giving the answers is different than taking answers? Or just one little question won't hurt?
    Last edit by kittyw on Dec 10, '02
  13. by   nursing 101
    Originally posted by kittyw
    I don't blame the police officer when I get a speeding ticket (after all I was breaking the law whether or not I agreed with it) ... they would call him a *&^. I still think an apology is in order.

    Kardut,
    This is exactly what I am implying. Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough Cheating as in giving one answer is not considered cheating TO ME but since it is considered by any SCHOOL and since I knowingly sign the admissions paper and they proceed to explain the school"s laws and different policies and since it is written in stone letters in the handbook, I will adhere to any punishement If I get caught. Because when I entered the school I knew perfectly well THEIR policies and the type of punishement that would be involved (even being expelled). As Kittyw was just saying SHE will not blame the police officer because SHE was speeding KNOWING perfectly well that she was breaking the law and even going as far as to say whether or not SHE agreed with it.
    Just had to make myself clear on how different people interpret DIFFERENT LAWS, DIFFERENT WAYS.
    As you requested we will agree to disagree and we will leave at that. Nothing personal just different views.

    And, if I may ask, why don't you think of this as cheating? Is it because you think giving the answers is different than taking answers? Or just one little question won't hurt? [/B]
    You will always be if you don't understand my point of view on cheating. I can explain it a million times, you still won't get it.
    As far as sleeping well at night... Honey I might not sleep well at night for not giving one answer on a test, but you might not sleep well for other things that you have done and that I don't know of... Again no personal attack on you.
    And tell me, if in MY mind I think something is right (even though it's not right with the school) how could I not sleep well? I mean I always had the impression that your conscience got to you at night when you know you did something that wasn't right?
    Now I'm confused
    Or maybe I need another moral lesson?
    Anyway,
    Kardut had the best idea: Let's just agree to disagree! :kiss
    Last edit by nursing 101 on Dec 10, '02

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