Opinions Please! Long Story - page 3

Ok....... 2 weeks ago during my AP Class muscles pratical, a girl in my class asked me for an answer on the written portion of the pratical and I gave her the answer. Whatever.... maybe I shouldn't... Read More

  1. by   BMS4
    was this a group assignment and the answers were shared or was this an individual exam? in class or take home assignment?
    I never saw an answer to this. The way I read it, it was a practicum and our practicums were usually group efforts unless specifically stated otherwise by the instructor.

    rstewart, why would nurses not be held in high regard in the future? I don't understand why you say that. I am a new nurse but have been around nurses all my life. The nurses that I have known and the folks I went to school with who are now beginning their nursing careers are wonderful, honest, caring people.

    People make mistakes. They learn from their mistakes and they move on. No, I've never cheated on a test, but I have made some huge mistakes in my life. I'm glad that those around me didn't judge me by those mistakes.
  2. by   Beach_RN
    It was a pratical where we do the written part first, the professor gives us pictures of the muscles and we name them, and then we go into the lab, where we have actual muscle models and name those... although it is done in a group, it is an individual test for each person.

    As I said...hindsight is 20/20...... so Yes I was wrong, If I had to do it over would I do it again...... Absolutely not!

    What's done is done..... now I have to just learn from this nerve wracking experience and that's it...... MOVE ON!

    Thanks for your comments Paula!

    Brenda
  3. by   rstewart
    To BMS4

    You will recall that in the original post the instructor told another student that her name was mentioned regarding some dishonesty; if the exercise was intended to be a group effort, the instructor would have had no reason to characterize the events in such a manner. Other examples abound which suggest that all were well aware that they were expected to do their own work.

    As to why I fear the nursing profession may be in danger of losing the public's trust in the future: I should think that the quotations extracted from this thread speak for themselves.
  4. by   BMS4
    rstewart, I appreciate your reply. I suppose I didn't read the first post as well as I should have.

    As for the other, I stand by my view. I don't want to judge the honesty and morality of an entire population by the 28 posts made here. Yes, you, me, and others may not like what we read, but one comment shouldn't be used to judge a person's character.

    Thank you again, rstewart for your reply. I always enjoy a respectful exchange of views. It's what makes things interesting and helps us all grow and learn.

    Brenda, you are welcome. I wish you continued success in school. You stated that you had learned from this experience and that's the important thing. Take care.
  5. by   rebelwaclause
    Originally posted by rstewart
    As to why I fear the nursing profession may be in danger of losing the public's trust in the future: I should think that the quotations extracted from this thread speak for themselves.
    I can understand your concern rstewart, but on a bigger picture there's a lot of problems with nursing that factor into the public trusting it as a whole. On the floor, don't we ask and use other nurses as resources to situations we don't know the answer to? Though Brenda's situation is different, because of the "pass/fail", "do-or-die" process of elimination of school, I understand concerns of posters who have deemed this as blatant plagiarism. But Brenda has acknowledged on several posts her error, and I believe this situation is a growth spurt that will stick with her throughout her nursing career. She'll be that nurse the public is expecting because of it.
  6. by   Beach_RN
    Thank you Rebel!

    Brenda
  7. by   nursing 101
    Kardut,
    I'm not saying it's not cheating... Key word "TO ME" it's not. I'm also not saying that I would not take responsibility if I would get caught. As stated I would not give more than one answer. I would not take one either. Different words have different meaning to people. Cheating comes in different forms and varieties, people also consider it in different forms and varieties.
    As far as an observer reporting incidents such as cheating, I (key word) just think they are pathetic. You imagine working with a tattle tale???
    People make mistakes on a daily basis, no sorry, on a minute basis and nurses are not excluded from that bunch! Most (key word) mistakes are not made because someone didn't know the answer to whatever dosage but they were careless or probably distracted in preparing it. Why do you think there are lawsuits going on. Most of them are for being "careless" not "didn't know the material or sickness or whatever is at hand"

    Getting of my soap box... No flames please : )
  8. by   natsfanrn
    Originally posted by nursing 101
    Kardut,
    I'm not saying it's not cheating... Key word "TO ME" it's not. I'm also not saying that I would not take responsibility if I would get caught. As stated I would not give more than one answer. I would not take one either. Different words have different meaning to people. Cheating comes in different forms and varieties, people also consider it in different forms and varieties.
    No flames intended, but that sounds a bit like a former president ("it all depends on what your definition of 'is' is"...). I CAN assure you that your school DOES consider giving one answer cheating, and WILL kick you out with a huge black mark on your record for doing so. If you're willing to take that risk, go for it.
  9. by   pama
    Giving an anwser to one questions or the entire exam is cheating. Your former lab partner would have been as guilty as everyone else if she had not informed your professon.

    If this had happened at our school every student who cheated, regardless if they gave or received the answer would received punishment based on the college's code of coduct. Further, if you and the other students were enrolled in the nursing program, the Board of Nursing would have been notified. Additionally, if you successfully completed the nursing programo on the application to take the NCLEX-RN this would have been included AND the Nursing Coordinator may or may not have signed off.

    If we as nurses, and nursing faculty, fail to respond we are also quilty. I hope you will think twice in the future before you provide answers in the future.
  10. by   kittyw
    Putting flame suit on. This is one of my big pet peeves - I really believe in the honor code. It makes taking a test more relaxing because you don't have that professor staring over your shoulder.

    After reading the posts it really bothers me the attitude towards the ex-study partner. She's a student who was pi&$#ed off that MANY people were cheating. This - from what I've read - was not a two person incident but involved many people.

    Aside from that some other people in the class shared some answers also

    How many times have the others shared answers. This is your first and last time, but has this student seen repeated cheating?? Doesn't really matter because ALL cheating is to be reported by the HONOR CODE.

    A woman in our class (the A+ Student) who is now my ex study partner took it upon herself to mention something to the professor about the class cheating and made some derrogatory comments about me to someone else in the class "I can't believe so and so would actually help someone cheat"

    I think mentioning her grade only indicates that people in the class may be a little jealous that she's able to get an A+. I think her statement, "I can't believe ...." was probably made out of pure shock. I bet she thought she knew you, and thought of you as the upstanding fine person we know you as. There are some people that I could see cheating at some point, and others that it would just blow me over if I saw them doing it. She also probably thought she could confide in a friend not to spread that statement, and has now figured out that the person she told that to wasn't a friend.

    So me and my BIG MOUTH... said I know where that came from..... SO & SO said something to the professor!

    Well I just opened a can of worms because now... everybody is giving the my ex study partner....... dirty looks.......

    So now it's the end of the class.. I am putting my coat on and she confronts me and starts shouting.


    I'd be pi(*$#ed at you too - doesn't excuse the yelling - but you all were the cheaters, she did the morally right thing (and what is required by the honor code), and she's the one to suffer. Did you really have to tell everyone that she's the one who told? Did you absolutely KNOW for a FACT that she's the one who told and that she gave names? I wouldn't be surprised if more than one person told the professor, and your ex-study partner is bearing the brunt of this attack.

    Originally posted by nursing 101
    As far as an observer reporting incidents such as cheating, I (key word) just think they are pathetic. You imagine working with a tattle tale???
    This was not a run home to mommy and tell, but something that is REQUIRED to be told. It is part of the HONOR code to tell the professor - remember that thing we all have to sign and swear to???? What has happened to standing behind your word and honesty?

    Now, you said that you've learned from this and that you know you did wrong. But there's still that resentment there. That's the part that really saddens me.
  11. by   Beach_RN
    kITTYW... You are absoletly right I did resent her...and for that I am wrong.... I am only human.... and to err is human or so they say!

    Thank you for your comments!

    Brenda
  12. by   kittyw
    It helps me to think about it like this .... I might get mad at getting a ticket, but I was the one speeding. I pay the ticket, get over it, and feel free to call the same officer for help when I'm in a car accident or whatever.
  13. by   researchrabbit
    I've never liked the term "tattle tale". Whistleblower is probably a better term.

    And in a professional capacity, you may have to be the whistleblower -- on someone who is using substances at work, being abusive to patients, or otherwise not fulfilling the responsibilities of the job. And someone will probably throw the "tattle tale" tag at you EVEN THOUGH if you knew and didn't tell, you would be liable too.

    People who have made mistakes don't want to take responsibility for them, so somehow the mistake becomes the fault of the person who blew the whistle (in other words, the person who made the original mistake becomes the victim).

    It's never easy to blow the whistle (as you can see by what happened to your study partner).

    I cheated on a test once. I was in the 2nd grade, and KNEW I couldn't spell "train" so I wrote it on a tiny piece of paper and held it in my lap and then chewed it up. I was never caught and never confessed but I felt so bad about it that I never cheated again. I even use a cover sheet when I take tests so that no one else is even tempted.

    Rationalization -- finding a reason to make our mistakes OK -- is SO easy. It is a rare, very rare person who has not ever used that particular escape in some area of their lives, either for themselves or for a significant other or children.

    It is important to be able to recognize it because once one begins the slide down that slippery slope, it is harder and harder to accept responsibility for one's actions.

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