Ok this may be a rant but.... - page 3

by PNicholas 5,578 Views | 51 Comments

Why does it seem that most people believe that ADN programs are not as good as BSN programs?! Do we not all take NCLEX? Do we not all have the same goals...to be good caring nurses? Why is there such a distinction made amongst... Read More


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    BSN students take more classes. I transferred from an ADN to a BSN program starting in the fall. I needed six classes to finish with the ADN and I now have three years of full time classes ahead of me in the BSN program. My mother (who has an ADN degree and has been a nurse for 30+ years) always says once you're out there working, it makes no difference. With the exception that a lot of hospitals are just not hiring ADN anymore, especially in cities. I transferred mainly because I already know I'm going to grad school so this is the faster track to get there rather than finishing with an ADN, working and then doing a BSN completion program.
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    Yes, this is a very old, very tired debate and it seems like it is always being brought up by ADNs. I have never heard or seen a BSN lord it over an ADN the way we might be led to believe from the way so many go on and on about it.

    As an example, my school changed from an ADN to a BSN program. I know several of the graduates from the earlier program and I am constantly hearing from them how they were better prepared and so on though I cannot really see how that could be since we all had the same number of clinical hours and the same classes with the difference that I took more of them on things like leadership, law and ethics, community and public health and evidence based practice.

    Honestly, I am not sure how to say it other than just to say it: you need to get over it. You need to get over this inferiority complex. Either get it together and accept us as brothers and sisters in the profession and help us achieve the same level of expertise you have, or go back to school and get your own BSN.
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    Quote from SuperMeghan91
    An RN is an RN, the only reason to get a BSN is to be more marketable or if you want to move into advanced practice nursing. My aunt did a BSN and she was always angry about how BSN and ADN RN's got paid the same even though she had done more work to get a BSN. Her employer didn't think there was a difference between ADN and BSN RN's. The only thing that matters is what your employer thinks.
    Well, no. An ADN prepares the graduate for general, bedside nursing. A BSN prepares the graduate for a much larger scope of practice, including management, public health, and research.

    This is not to say that ADNs cannot do these things, it just means that they will have to get to the level of the BSN graduate while on the job rather than having learned the material in the classroom, in which case, why not just go back to school?
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    Very interesting, thanks for posting Nursel56!
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    It funny when you can tell that people don't go on and read every post. If you went back and read my later post...I did say I plan to bridge when I am done in May and I actually have EVERY pre req for my BSN. So yes, I am getting " over it and getting my BSN!" My point in all of this...if you took 3 seconds to read my later post...is for people to realize that there are cheaper options if you are willing to put in the extra year. I will just nicely refer you to my previous post.
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    Quote from PNicholas
    It funny when you can tell that people don't go on and read every post. If you went back and read my later post...I did say I plan to bridge when I am done in May and I actually have EVERY pre req for my BSN. So yes, I am getting " over it and getting my BSN!" My point in all of this...if you took 3 seconds to read my later post...is for people to realize that there are cheaper options if you are willing to put in the extra year. I will just nicely refer you to my previous post.
    Quite right. I beg your pardon.
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    Quote from LCinTraining
    That is not what I meant, but thanks for asking me to clarify. Let me try to re-word it. There is world wise from life experience like you said, but I'm referencing the larger vocabulary that comes from the extra gen eds and the critical thinking that comes from it. Perhaps world wise wasn't the right word. I find those that have at least a bachelor's are more ready to accept view points that are not their own, than those without any higher education or an associates. I'm doing this as a 36 year old that's lived abroad. I'd say I come at it with world experience as well, however, I also know my bachelor's was undeniably essential for me learning to relate to other ideas. Obviously, I am generalizing, but I am a strong advocate of the mantra "education is never a bad thing".
    This debate will contine Ad infinitum while there is a two tiered entry levels.

    I have found, however, that those with the BSN are not more ready to accept view point not their own.....for if they did, this discussion would cease to exist.
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    Quote from anoetos
    yes, this is a very old, very tired debate and it seems like it is always being brought up by adns. i have never heard or seen a bsn lord it over an adn the way we might be led to believe from the way so many go on and on about it.
    i believe she was talking about the broader institutional "they" rather than the colleague "they". as for the supposed inferiority complex you identified due to you hearing adns complain more often well. . yeah, i guess you'd expect people on the receiving end of criticism to have their issues show up in forums like this. i don't see too many bsn students going out of their way to post about how wonderful it is that the institute of medicine believes your sisters and brothers are just a shade above incompetent.
    well, no. an adn prepares the graduate for general, bedside nursing. a bsn prepares the graduate for a much larger scope of practice, including management, public health, and research.

    at the risk of sounding like i'm harping (carping?), those things are not scope of practice. some students view those courses as either superfluous or available outside of the bsn structure.
    Last edit by nursel56 on Aug 10, '12 : Reason: the usual
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    Quote from Esme12
    This debate will contine Ad infinitum while there is a two tiered entry levels.

    I have found, however, that those with the BSN are not more ready to accept view point not their own.....for if they did, this discussion would cease to exist.
    If that is true then why, oh why, is this discussion almost always brought up by an adn student or nurse? My school, professors, or classmates never sit around talking about how we are in a BSN program blah blah blahh..never..I can't even think of a time in the oast 2 years that its been brought up..because of this I find your argument ahrd to believe although I acknowledge I am a tiny fraction of the big picture.
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    Quote from Esme12

    This debate will contine Ad infinitum while there is a two tiered entry levels.

    I have found, however, that those with the BSN are not more ready to accept view point not their own.....for if they did, this discussion would cease to exist.
    Perception is a funny thing. Mine is quite the opposite.

    Example: this very thread was started from the ADN perspective. It asked why BSNs don't think ADNs are as good as them, our answer thus far has been: no one actually thinks that.


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