Not-for-profit vs for-profit colleges...did this make a difference?
- 0Jun 4, '11 by BabyLadyI am curious to hear from those of you that have attended for-profit vs not-for-profit colleges.
Did any of you, when job searching after completing your graduate degrees, have anyone say anything if you graduated from a for-profit school?
In other words, do you feel that you were discriminated against in any way or did it make no difference at all as long as you held the credentials?
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- 3Jun 4, '11 by lrobinson5I think that it isn't necessarily whether it is for-profit or not, just WHICH for-profit college you went to. Harvard is a for-profit college, and so is the University of Phoenix. There is a world of difference between the two :P
- 4Jun 4, '11 by KeepItRealRNThe way I see it, what divides worthwhile for profit colleges is whether or not they need to advertise. A school with a stellar repuatation and results does not need to advertise. More people want to go to those schools then they have seats for and thus can be more selective on the qualifications to get in. For the for profit schools that advertise the only admission requirement is the ability to write them a check and have sufficient funds to back it up.
- 11Jun 4, '11 by UGADawgsQuote from lrobinson5Harvard absolutely is not a for-profit institution. Private does does not mean "for profit."Harvard is a for-profit college, and so is the University of Phoenix. There is a world of difference between the two :P
- 0Jun 4, '11 by lrobinson5Quote from UGADawgsArgh, I always get mixed up on that, same with which hospitals in my area are what. The main point still holds true though. I am sure there are reputable for-profit colleges and some really bad ones. I'm sure they look at where you went as opposed to discriminating no matter which college it was.Harvard absolutely is not a for-profit institution. Private does does not mean "for profit."
- 0Jun 4, '11 by caliotter3Quote from lrobinson5Your point still holds. I understood what you meant.Argh, I always get mixed up on that, same with which hospitals in my area are what. The main point still holds true though. I am sure there are reputable for-profit colleges and some really bad ones. I'm sure they look at where you went as opposed to discriminating no matter which college it was.
- 2Jun 4, '11 by AJPVThe very first thing you want to look at is the accreditations the school has. For-profit schools that are not good often have ONLY a national accreditation, but lack the all-important regional accreditation. An example of regional accreditation is The Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools. If the school doesn't have regional accreditation, RUN AWAY!! Most of the worst for-profit schools possess only national accreditation.
Then you also want to look at accreditations that are specific to our major/profession. For nursing, these are the most important:
The National League for Nursing Accrediting Commission, Inc.
Your state board of nursing
Commission on Collegiate Nursing Education (this one is only relevant for BSN & grad programs)
Checking accreditation is only a starting point, but it should be an absolute disqualification if a school doesn't meet these standards. Also, don't just take the school's word for it that they are actually accredited by certain agencies. Look up the name of the school at the actual accrediting agency's website to verify their truthfulness. Report the school to the agency if they are falsely claiming accreditation. There are a lot of for-profit schools out there built on pure fraud. That's why this issue has been in the national news the last couple days.Last edit by AJPV on Jun 4, '11
- 2Jun 4, '11 by AJPVRegional accreditation is far more difficult for a school to achieve - it has a strong tendency to weed out schools that are either sub-par academically or that are little more than barely-legal money collection scams. If you earn a "degree" from a school that does not have regional accreditation, you will find it very difficult to transfer those credits or go to grad school at a reputable school that does possess regional accreditation. I don't know all the in's & out's of regional versus national accreditation. But after reading several news articles from education experts, I have noticed that this seems to be their #1 tip: always insist on regional accreditation when choosing a school. A regionally-accredited school is also far less inclined to deceptively advertise a "degree" in an area of study that sounds promising but is actually almost entirely un-employable in the promised profession. You'll notice that all the reputable public state schools as well as private schools have regional accreditation.
Here is a list of the 6 regional accreditations to look for the US:
- 4Jun 4, '11 by 33762FLI worked in human resources for a while, although not in the healthcare industry. Resumes with degrees from for-profit colleges (University of Phoenix, Devry, Kaplan, Walden, ITT Tech, Art Institute, Capella, Grand Canyon, etc.) went right into the trash. Even if the undergraduate degree was from a state U or a private-non-profit and then they had a Master's or MBA from Phoenix or Kaplan, it was trashed. Basically it showed that the person had poor enough judgement to get an overpriced degree from a for-profit degree mill rather than go to their state university or a private non-profit for less money.
Again, an RN-BSN bridge seems like the same course work no matter where you obtain it, but why would you pay more for it when you can get a better bargain and show HR that you chose this option over others?