New requirements for nursing school

  1. Apparently in an attempt to weed out some applicants and to make more money many schools are changing the admission requirements. Some will accept no transfer credit. Others will only accept science credit that is 3 years old! (Meaning that the credit may expire while waiting to get into the program). The school I was applying to for an ADN will now not accept my over 10 year old credits in speech, english comp, psychology and other basic general classes. You can not take clep tests either. My feeling is that this makes more money for the colleges (you have to retake classes). Also it weeds out many nontraditional older students who have previous degrees or have taken classes over the years. I have been advised that this rule will take effect across my state soon in ADN and BSN programs. I was also told that some LPN programs are beginning to have this rule too. They gave the reason as students having difficultly passing the state board exams. There is no way I can afford in time and money to retake all these classes. It is like 30 credits with a 4.0! I don't know at this point if I should even keep trying at least in this state. I am not able to move out of state. No wonder there is a shortage of nurses.
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  2. 22 Comments

  3. by   JillyT
    Yikes! Where do you live?!
  4. by   tonicareer
    Indiana which is so far behind other states. Our tuition is high, we have few nursing schools and competition is fierce to get in. If you get in your general ed. might expire before reaching the clinical phase of the program (due to shortage of clinical space). My state has few allied health programs and they don't want to accept transfer or old credit either. I keep checking other states and I know Indiana is so far behind. For instance Florida has tons of schools and low tuition in the community colleges. How I wish I could move! I would not come back either.
  5. by   nursing 101
    Don't get fooled about FL... No there are not tons of schools... Well maybe there are... It's just that coming from NYC I find FL very remote... To get back to the subject there are waiting list in every single school in FL... The school that I attend didn't have a waiting list last year (and it's a private very expensive school) but guess what? They have one now. I live in south FL and it's very hard to get in the nursing programs at community colleges...
    But one thing they don't have that rule of 3 years or you have to take classes over. It's 5-6years for sciences classes and some schools like the univeristies are picky about where you got your humanities such as psych and phil. Overall they aren't that bad compared to Indiana. Correct me if I'm wrong but alot of people have been complaining about Indiana...
    I have realized that schools are pretending that they care about the nursing shortage but they don't really. As we heard the Dean at our school say : we are in the "business" of education.
  6. by   fnimat1
    That's ashame...I'm sorry to hear that....and they wonder why there is a shortage on nurses....you get so darned frustrated by all the dang rules and lack thereof.

    Hugs,
    Fatima
  7. by   live4today
    Well......that killed my desire to move to Indiana next year! Thanks for the heads up because I have every intention of returning to school this year and would hate to have to repeat courses that I succcessfully passed years ago.
  8. by   RNIAM
    Sometimes schools will say things just weed people out themselves. Have you checked out the state nursing web site? I would email and directly ask before believing what any nursing school tells you. If it si true then it is discrimination I am sure. Either way maybe it is time for a move?
  9. by   SKM-NURSIEPOOH
    if one has been out of school for x number of years, one would have to take an entrance exam in order to determine if one would require remedial courses before even starting freshmen level math/english. if one is a prior college student that has successfully accomplished their college level math/english, but has taken a sabbatical from college & now wants to return, that's what the act test is for!

    about the science course rule, it's true that most universities will not accept science courses more than five years old...due to new discoveries/elements...theories being proved & accepted as laws...etc. but it is absurd for them to not accept prior class credits receiving a "c" or better, not rely on standardized tests such as the sat/act/gre...etc, & not accept prior degrees which required these same courses as prereqs for nursing programs.

    in pa, specifically tju in philly, one can have a prior bs/ba degree in anything & apply to their fact program which is an accelerated pathway to receive a bsn in *one year time*! they also have an accelerated program for prior second degrees that would allow that candidate to receive their bsn & msn degrees! the nursing department at tju have dropped the gre requirement if your final gpa is 3.2 & over during undergrad. tju stress the importance of continued nursing education & advancement. they've pointed-out the need for future nursing professors/instructors as well. there not only a shortage of nurses in the clinical setting, but there's also a shortage of nursing professors/instructors too ~ especially now that so many are "baby boomer's" that are about to retire within the next five to ten years!

    i know that there are other progressive universities that also offer such enervative ways to attract future nurses. it's a shame that indiana is moving backward & a lot of potential nurses will be turned away if they continue to make it difficult to apply to their schools of nursing. very disappointing!

    cheers!
    moe
  10. by   TeresaRN2b
    Sorry, but I am really confused. I am in your neighbor state Michigan and live a little over an hour from the border of Indiana so I have looked into Indiana schools as well. I can send you a link to the site I have that shows all the schools and tuition. http://www.in.gov/hpb/boards/isbn/programs.html Your tuition is very comprable to most states and some are very reasonable. Most schools listed were between $2000 - $6000 a year, but there were a few pricier schools as well. I can't see that Indiana is any different than any other state really. Perhaps if you are in the ruralist of areas you might be disadvantaged, but from what I have seen they have plenty of nursing schools. I actually considered driving. Also a lot of schools do have time limits on transferring in credits as well. Usually it is somewhere between 5-10 year limits and most that I have seen are only rigid with the science courses. I don't believe that it necessarily to make money you really do need to have a good understanding of A&P to handle nursing school. I honestly don't feel that Indiana is any different than other states. From what I can see we are all in the same boat.
  11. by   Nurse2bSandy
    The school that I will be attending (at a pricey, private college) is very generous with transfer credits. They will accept anything that I passed from my first time in college... over 25 years ago! That said, I don't think that is to anyone's advantage when it is a course that will affect my nursing. I am more than happy to get credit on my spanish drama class for humanities... but I am glad to retake A&P... things have changed there in the past 2 decades! I have also retaken english since I know that I will write many papers. Right now I have accepted their credit to my 16 year old nutrition class, but I may go ahead and retake that too, since certainly ideas about nutrition are constantly changing.
    There is a current nursing shortage, but do you notice that there is also a huge amount of people trying to get into the field? I think that many try to pursue it because of the projected salaries instead of the calling. At least that is my observation of 'nursing' students in my prereq classes. When I am the one laying in the hospital bed, believe me, I want to know that my nurse has had an adequate education and not been allowed to skim through on outdated credits.
    About other states and their programs... I think that most states are really in the same boat. A gal in my biochem class was saying the other day that she thought she may go back to the mainland for her nursing program. "There are a ton of programs there and no waiting lists." I just listened... I knew that she hadn't been visiting this site!
  12. by   tonicareer
    Teresa that site is very out of date. There are closed schools on that list and new schools since then. The prices are way wrong on the lists. Even colleges websites are often out of date. You have to go to the college and get updated info. Believe me there are no programs that cost 2000 dollars. Schools can change their requirements as often as they want to. In small print it always says that they have a right to do this.
  13. by   RNIAM
    tonicareer
    Hi would you mind giving me the name of the school your refering to here? I am very interested in this area as I evenually want to be an advocate for non-traditional students. You can pm me if you like.
  14. by   Lausana
    Originally posted by tonicareer
    Teresa that site is very out of date. There are closed schools on that list and new schools since then. The prices are way wrong on the lists. Even colleges websites are often out of date. You have to go to the college and get updated info. Believe me there are no programs that cost 2000 dollars. Schools can change their requirements as often as they want to. In small print it always says that they have a right to do this.
    Looks accurate to me? School websites are usually very accurate, with registering, paying etc online they need to be. I'm in Indiana and I can't verify specifically every school on the list, only one To me, either you want to go or not. Excuse of price and required classes just hold you back. Maybe relocating to a different area might offer you more options, but I have no idea where you're at right now.

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