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No. 20
from TheSquire
Old Mar 31, 2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by truern View Post
For those nurses that "don't test well", how do you propose they get tested on materials and concepts they've learned??
"You" being the OP or one of the people who have replied?
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No. 21
from o0o0o
Old Apr 01, 2009, 09:35 AM

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The reality is that nursing students are part of a “NCLEX-pass-rate machine”. Just like with any standardized testing benchmark, institutions start teaching to the test, not to content.
Why not make the passing score 85%, or 95%? Then the school would be guaranteed high NCLEX pass rates. What is to stop them? When a student is in their last semester, what does the school care if the student doesn’t pass an arbitrary standard? They already have your money! Now they just need to maintain their pass rate.
Even if you get your school to change its passing grade (ain’t gonna happen), the testing could easily be changed to compensate… it’s all relative.
State boards of nursing should monitor and publish retention rates along side pass rates. It should be mandatory that these statistics be given to potential students entering the program. Problem is: who is going to push for this? The people who make it through nursing school are just glad to be done and will never look back. The one’s who don’t make it will never overcome the “I don’t want someone who failed out of nursing school taking care of me!”argument.
Caring and compassion, baby…. Caring and compassion.
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No. 22
from mimib
Old Apr 02, 2009, 11:11 PM

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West ky community and tech. 2 yr associate. must maintain a 2.0 (a "c" or better in all classes) to be admitted and continue with program once admitted. reading all the posts i have a feeking my school has lower standards than some of yours!
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No. 23
from Equinox_93
Old Apr 03, 2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by truern View Post
For those nurses that "don't test well", how do you propose they get tested on materials and concepts they've learned??
Practice testing skills (including stress relieving techniques) in addition to the course material....
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No. 24
from quiet_one
Old Apr 04, 2009, 01:04 AM

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PC, a community college in TX , 2 year ADN. minimum grade to stay in the program is 75% and if at anypoint during the semester you make less than that on an exam you must do a test review with the instructor. If you fail to reach a 75% at the end of the course you must request readmittance into the program from the director of the program (also think you have to write a paper on how you will succeed in the course).

The program itself has very high standards for its students, we to have to make a 100% on or dosage calc (by the fourth semester...think it starts at 80% and progress up through the semesters) We are also tested over skills, the first week or two of school...stuff we have to learn on our own. We also have to take the specialized hesi exams each semester and pass with a 900 or better. also if you don't pass the comprehensive hesi, you must take a 4 week remediation program after you graduate to get your GN! Not even gonna talk about the standards in clinicals As a result my school has a very high pass rate 97% (really good for our small size

I think that the best part of our program is the ability (and sometimes requirement) to speak with the instructor regarding the test material. If for some reason you and your classmates are falling below the passing mark (82 does seem rather high) you may want to discuss with your instructor and see what they would suggest you do...their job does kinda depend on the reputation of the college and they may not want to jeopardize that by lowering the pass score...but they should also want to increasethe pass rate and help their students

Good Luck
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No. 25
from FairyCari
Old Apr 04, 2009, 02:56 PM

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I am a nursig student

NS is difficult, and it SHOULD BE, you are learning lifesaving skills! (among other things, obviously)

My school has an 80% in order to pass. YES, we have lost students, yes they get mad, BUT that is the nature of something as difficult and rewarding as nursing.

On a side note.. All of the students who either dropped out or failed out of my class worked, and they worked too many hours to study.
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No. 26
Old Apr 05, 2009, 04:56 PM

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72% to pass
2.5 GPA in pre-req's + nursing classes
100% on dosage calculations 3 tries permitted
Can only repeat 2 nursing classes. but can only repeat a single class once (in other words if you fail med-surg I- you can repeat it only once, and then if you fail maternity you can repeat it only once, if you fail either of those second attempts or another class after passing on the second try you're out.)
90% first attempt NCLEX pass rate, 95% overall
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No. 27
Old Apr 05, 2009, 06:55 PM

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My AAS program for RN requires a 78%
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No. 28
Old Apr 08, 2009, 11:53 AM

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Diploma school, NJ. 80% required to pass (80-86 is a C, 87-93 is a B, 94-100 is an A). 100% required on all 4 medication math exams. If you fail, you are able to re-take the course next year.
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No. 29
Old Apr 08, 2009, 11:54 AM

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My ADN program requires an 80% average on all tests which is separate from the 80% that is required on all written work. There is a med math test with each new clinical rotation. That must be passed at 100% in three tries. All skills must be passed in 3 tries. Our grading scale has been adjusted up so that 94-100 is an A, 88-93 is a B, and 80-87 is a C. We start 60 students, and typically graduate 28-32 students. Our NCLEX pass rate is consistently 98-100%. We are allowed to leave and re-enter the program once for any reason, including grades. The policies are tough, but fair. The expectations are laid out at orientation.
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