male instructor touching students - I voiced my concern - page 2
Hi guys, I don't know if you remember that some weeks ago I posted a message here regarding my health assessment male instructor touching the female students during lab classes. Anyway, 98% of the... Read More
Dec 1, '05I agree with everyone else, completely inappropriate. I would pursue it further. The school is going to stand behind him because he is employed by them, and to admit that he has commited a crime against you only opens them up to liability. That is completely unacceptable behavior, that makes my skin crawl, what a jerk.
Dec 1, '05Something has to be done to stop this person. He'll do it AGAIN, he's probably done it before, and called it an assessment.
Dec 1, '05I would definitely write this up and start the process to get this guy outta there! He is a total freak! Doesn't deserve to be an instructor!
Dec 1, '05OK you verbally reported situation. Heard from Nursing Department Dean. Now follow-up in writing your objections. Is it possible that your fellow classmates who are also uncomfortable would cosign a letter outlining classroom and clinical concerns.
State YOUR concerns in objective voice:
I was lying in bed and 2 other students were working with me, assessing each other. We had curtains around and our instructor said that we didn't need to wear gown, so I was lying there with my shirt on top of my breasts and my jeans opened. He came into the cubicle where we were, and he asked me to show my pubic bone. But I was feeling kind of uncomfortable, and he said: "If you can't find it, I will!" And he reached down my panties and started touching my pubic bone, not taking into consideration that he was crossing my comfort zone and didn't respect the fact that I didn't want him touching me. Then when he grabbed my jeans to drop even more I said "NO".. and he ended up making comments about my pubic hair, as there was no reason for me to be shy because he had seen lots, and he looked at the two students and said that eventually we have to be forceful with patients.
Check out student handbook for how to file formal complaint. At least send copy to Nursing Dean, Dean of Students AND School President.
You are PAYING for your education and should be receiving the best quality instruction. The above interaction is NOT professional behaviour IMHO and concurred by colleagues as expressed other posts.
Dec 1, '05I agree - I wouldn't let it go, and I would file battery as well.
Im sorry but his actions were INEXCUSEABLE!!!!!!!
And the fact that he called to apologize shows he KNOWS it was not right - document all the facts with times dates and names of witnesses on paper so that you dont forget anything.
File a police report and a report with the board if you must, but DO something besides letting the dean sweep it under the carpet. I would go to the dean of the University, not just the dean of health sciences.
You might also remind them of the liability they could be incurring by keeping someone like this around. If they threaten you, hire an attorney!
Dec 1, '05psssst...just found this in pa's nursing practice act---
sexual violation--the term includes the following offenses:
(i) sexual intercourse between a registered nurse and a patient during the professional relationship.
(ii) genital to genital contact between a nurse and a patient during the professional relationship.
(iii) oral to genital contact between a nurse and a patient during the professional relationship.
(iv) touching breasts, genitals, or any other body part for any purpose other than appropriate examination or treatment, or using prolonged or improper examination techniques, or after the patient has refused or withdrawn consent.
(v) encouraging a patient to masturbate in the presence of the nurse or masturbating while a patient is present.
(vi) providing or offering to provide drugs or treatment in exchange for sexual favors. (vii) using or causing the use of anesthesia or any other drug affecting consciousness for the purpose of engaging in conduct that would constitute a sexual impropriety or sexual violation.
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Dec 1, '05I am in shock about your story!
I hope that you don't let this go. He is going to keep abusing other people if so. There is nothing even remotely arguable about the inappropriateness of his actions.
I would report him to the police and the board. It is not a joke and he knows it.
Dec 1, '05I would contact the dean again and tell them that if THEY don't do anything about it, you are going to the DA and file a restraining order and request that a criminal investigation be conducted.
Your Dean is trying to push this under the carpet.
So be assertive and give her a choice: they either need to make a big deal out of this now, or, once criminal charges are filed, a BIG DEAL will be made out of this - in the media, probably.
And if no further action is taken by the dean, I'd go talk to your County DA.
(Most DA offices have a member that specializes in sexual/physical abuse and can get you a restraining order without needing a lawyer.)
Dec 1, '05
Dec 1, '05What a CREEP!!!! I definitly would report this to the board. Who does he think he is?!?!?!? There is no excuse for his behavior. And the more people brussh this whole thing off the louder I would get. No student should ever be put in this type of situation, and I am sorry you had to go through it. Please keep us posted on what comes of this.
Dec 1, '05There is a time to fight, and this is the time. Have you talked to the other students in your group who witnessed this? If you are going to meet with any more officials of the university, I think you should get a lawyer to go with you. Universities care more about their public image than they do about the students who attend the school, and if you start to threaten to make this very public, they'll start listening. I'm willing to bet that they all know it's wrong, but want to avoid a scandal at all costs, so they are counting on you to be a meek and mild student about all this and allow it to be swept under the carpet. Don't let them intimidate you.
Dec 1, '05This man's behavior is grossly inappropriate and he has no business teaching or working with patients.
It seems like you've been given great advice so far. The only thing I would add is to talk to the students who witnessed this event (or other similar incidents) and warn them they might be getting a call from the Board of Nursing or the police. They may be asked to give testimony to the board or in court, and if they are prepared they will be able to give much better statements. This is a difficult situation, but it sounds like you are handling it well. Good luck and we are here to support you.