Life-Span class is shortening mine. - page 8
I'm just whinning........certainly to a group of intellectuals that can somehow utilize this contradictory load of crap. I'm certain this will be the only useless part of school, but I just can't... Read More
Jul 6, '02Peeps....you are hell bent on NOT liking the Life Span course, so.......I hope you make it through the course with a passing grade that will get you into nursing If that is the career choice you seem to think has your name all over it.
I take it you do NOT have children either??? If you did, and you spent a great deal of time with them as babies, you would know that even an infant can show fear...most infants begin to fear being apart from their mothers around nine months of age...some sooner. As a mother myself, I don't know how else to explain this to you except you just happen to be one of those adults who doesn't seem to connect much with the 'SOFT SIDE' of life. Best of luck in whatever you do...for your sake...I really hope it isn't nursing...that's just a gut feeling I have...Erikson would agree, I'm sure. :chuckle
Jul 6, '02Well,I guess you are just going to say "you can just tell"
with the caveat being I won't accept it because I don't have a baby to observe.
Is that it?
Cheerful,do you know how those phone psychics seem to know everything about you?
Because you want it to be true and this is not much different.
Now don't just go off halfcocked and say "boy peeps is really screwed up man".......ok. Think about it. If you believe even a little tensy bit of what I'm saying or consider its ramifications or have even criticaly read what I've posted then there is little indication of that in your replies. I really wanted to give it its due and discuss it but you seem so afraid to consider what I'm saying that I am getting zip out of you Cheerful.
If you can't explain the foundation of what you believe in,then what good is it? Just saying that I must be ignorant because I don't have kids doesn't cut it.
I can explain all the science facts I know and believe in,but I cannot explain how a theory would begin with an outcome so I understand completely what you must be feeling. I would be feeling a little queasy myself if I was up against the master of argument of Allnurses When we began discussing it I actualy thought it was going to be constructive................about that I was wrong. This is very one-sided and not an exchange of ideas at all.
C'mon Cheerful,a baby's "fear" is nothing more than the fact that when it cries the hunger or the diaper rash goes away. A baby has no idea what fear even is,how can it express it? I have actually observed that behavior and noticed that when the baby's discomfort is relieved,it shuts up. and everything is once again quiet.
You've expressed concern that I might not be able to become a nurse if I can't accept these theories and utilize them...............well,let me tell you something. If nurses are supposed to be a bunch of friggingsheep that can't even discuss the foundation of thier beliefs unless they agree blindly with everything then what the hail good is it? I thought I was taking a science course for crying out loud(little pun there) not; "the teachings of the Third Reicht.......or else!"
If all nursing instructors think that its theories are absolutes without possibillity of argument then nursing school will be easier than I thought.:chuckleLast edit by Peeps Mcarthur on Jul 6, '02
Jul 6, '02Peep oh boy...all I can safely say to you at this point is this: I am sure glad I am not one of your future nursing instructors...that is...if you get that far because many a nursing instructor has chewed plenty of heads off of students for attitudes such as you exhibit towards that which you disagree with. Write us when you graduate...IF you graduate nursing school...and let us know more about how you feel about nursing then....especially after you've worked as a nurse. I wish you well, and I rest my case with this matter. Stay well, I wish you the best in whatever you strive to do, and I sure hope I never end up your patient because I am going to DEMAND to see the care plan you have made up for me to make sure Erikson's stage of development for my age group is on it, and how you have planned to resolve any issues I may be having with my particular stage of life. And...if YOU ever become a patient of mine...you can bet your buns I will have you down to a science with the proper stage of development straight out of Erickson's theory. TaTa, Peeps! :kiss
Jul 7, '02But we never said much of anything to eachother. You just told me how it is. You didn't explain anything.
I asked questions and you told me I was difficult for doing so?
Why are you treating me this way?
Jul 7, '02Hey guys,
I've spent probably an hour or more trying to get the "jist" of this thread, and I'm still confused. From what I can gather, Peeps is a man around 40 y.o.a., is that right? Peeps also stated that he has a 4.0 average in all classes except this "lifespan" course, which he has withdrawn from twice. Am I right so far? Anyway, the lady he has been discussing this course with is a psych major, right? I hope I haven't misquoted anyone, for that's not my intention. I can see Peep's point about psych courses being "boring",and he can't see where it will be of use to him. I can also see Mrs. Cheerful's point about needing to know about the way people think, and about their state of mind during various stages of development. My General Psych class was pretty easy compared to other courses, and was at times pretty boring. But I did understand that this was part of the program, and just went along with it. I didn't even crack a book, until a few days before out tests. Our professor didn't even follow the book, so it was confusing to try and study and keep up with his notes. Basically, the test was based on his notes, and that's what I studied before the test . It was all mostly memorization, and I didn't really learn a whole lot in there. We studied a bunch of junk about Freud and how he started the first psych labs, etc. Also, we studied about Pavlov, or whatever the dude with the slobbering dogs name was. This stuff was what I found annoying too, but I just went along with the program and came out of there with an easy "A". I can understand about having "hang ups"with certain courses, and I have a gripe myself about having to go back and take Algebra. I made an "A" in there also, but I despise that crap. Where the heck am I going to use that stuff? Anyway, I was just wondering what the fuss is all about. I'm not a psych major, nor do I plan to take anymore than is required for the program. My Psych professor even said Freud and some of those other dudes were "kooks". Maybe this lifespan course is not enough to challenge Peep's mind, I don't know. It is pretty aggrevating at times. I guess you have people who love it, and some who hate it. I'll just accept it, and try to do my best to get another "A". Yeah, I like "A's" You guys take care. PEACE. Darby
Jul 7, '02I sure hope I never end up your patient because I am going to DEMAND to see the care plan you have made up for me to make sure Erikson's stage of development for my age group is on it, and how you have planned to
I'm quite sure that a theory of development buried in a moutain of paperwork that everyone avoids like the plauge will be the least of your concerns.
But I would take good care of you anyway as you abused and humiliated me.:imbar
Jul 7, '02I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't read it in my psychology text first
Cheerful,and any other faith healers out there,A direct quote from Psychology (Santock 2000)
"Mental processes are trickier to define than behavior;they are the thoughts,feelings,and motives that each of us experiences privately but that cannot be observed directly . Though we cannot directly see thoughts and feelings,they are nonetheless real. They include kissing someone,a baby's feelings when its mother leaves the room,and a college student's memory of the motorcycle episode"
Ok,that would seem to be a direct contradiction to the "trust vs mistrust" theory that says that feelings of a newborn are observable.
Jul 7, '02No, the behaviors of a newborn that are caused by its feelings are what's observable! Babies can actually be diagnosed with behavioral signs of depression at only a few months old. I understand your hatred of Erickson, he wasn't my favorite, but I had to comment on the babies have no real feelings idea, because they do.Last edit by fergus51 on Jul 7, '02
Jul 7, '02Originally posted by Peeps Mcarthur
But we never said much of anything to eachother. You just told me how it is. You didn't explain anything.
I asked questions and you told me I was difficult for doing so?
Why are you treating me this way?
Jul 7, '02originally posted by peeps mcarthur
we'll never see eachother in that situation,but i'm sure if you demanded anything or needed comforting you would not find what you needed in a care plan.
i'm quite sure that a theory of development buried in a moutain of paperwork that everyone avoids like the plauge will be the least of your concerns.
but i would take good care of you anyway as you abused and humiliated me.:imbar
i luv ya anyways...in spite of your non erikson loving self! :kissLast edit by live4today on Jul 7, '02
Jul 7, '02originally posted by darby1
i've spent probably an hour or more trying to get the "jist" of this thread, and i'm still confused. from what i can gather, peeps is a man around 40 y.o.a., is that right? peeps also stated that he has a 4.0 average in all classes except this "lifespan" course, which he has withdrawn from twice. am i right so far? anyway, the lady he has been discussing this course with is a psych major, right? i hope i haven't misquoted anyone, for that's not my intention. i can see peep's point about psych courses being "boring",and he can't see where it will be of use to him. i can also see mrs. cheerful's point about needing to know about the way people think, and about their state of mind during various stages of development. ? anyway, i was just wondering what the fuss is all about. you guys take care. peace. darby
Jul 7, '02No, the behaviors of a newborn that are caused by its feelings are what's observable! Babies can actually be diagnosed with behavioral signs of depression at only a few months old. I understand your hatred of Erickson, he wasn't my favorite, but I had to comment on the babies have no real feelings idea, because they do.
Depression diagnosed in a newborn?:chuckle
Well hows it going Bob
Not very well #1(how appropriate) I had that stuff that makes my butt sting again and it didn't go away for what seemed like forever and I didn't fell the warm thing against me when I was cold but my day was looking up when I was hungry and it went away when I do that thing with my mouth.
I just don't know if I can take another day like that again #1,I'm considering trying to roll over in my isolette to make it look like sudden infant death syndrome............
This is very seriouse Bob,you should talk to someone about that.
This cruel world.............wherever it is..........would be better off without me.
Here's the name of somebody that understands what you're going through Bob. He tried to end it all with the loose piece of a recalled toy when the feelings of mistrust for his caregiver had built to a point that he no longer could handle them.................we had an intervention just like this one.......we're all here to help you Bob.
Hey where did all of you come from? You were'nt here a minute ago!
Relax Bob,you just gained the motor skills to fix on an object,that's all. Objects will now come and go and you won't have any idea where they are. That will be very frustrating and you have to get some counseling Bob.
I know it's hard to believe because your just a pile of misfiring neurons but some day you'll be an insecure adult if you don't get some help.
I would hug you Bob but I just don't have the motor skills for that.
You're right.........absolutely right............I'm really depressed. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to get a referral to a pediatrician and stop seeing my neonatologist.
I've gotta stop blaming my low birth weight for everything. Ok,where's that number?
It's in your hand Bob.............your slobbering on it.
Oh gaawd!,I just can't take this any more!
I want to make it clear that I don't hate Erikson,I think it's a little much to try to apply to any individual,but I don't hate him. I do think that if you are going to teach it as fact,and aparently a gold standard of psych evaluation,then you should be able to examine it intimately with objectivity and prove it.
I think it should be open for discussion for the purpose of enlightenment,not to find out who disagrees with it so you can kick them out!Last edit by Peeps Mcarthur on Jul 7, '02
Jul 7, '02:roll :roll
(sorry I couldn't contribute any pearls of wisdom to this thread, but I have been reading it with interest, just FYI )