If I hear "C Nurses make the best nurses" one more time I will scream! - page 6

I'm in my first quarter of nursing school and I keep hearing "C Nurses make the best nurses". It makes me absolutely crazy. I'm the first to admit that being book smart does not mean that you have... Read More

  1. by   Sheri257
    Quote from ItsyBitsySpider
    I think your experience has obviously been limited, to put it mildly. There's a step ladder sitting next to your high horse.
    I know that in my program there are approximately 1% of students that are A students. Some of you including the previous poster seem to have stereotyped "C" students as party animals then excuse this by saying this is "your experience". I know many C students that try just as hard as the A ones, study just as much if not more, and put 110% effort in all the time. If there are people who are C students who chose to live their life rather than have school live it for them then that is their choice and one I do not completely disagree with.
    Cheers!
    I'm getting tired of this, so the flame retardant suit is on.

    If there is a stereotype that C students are party animals, it's because party animals do tend to get lower grades. That's only logical in any program at any school. Does that mean that every C student is party animal? No. But it probably means there are more C students who are party animals than A students.

    Let's stop tap dancing around the issue and face some facts here. If the schools really thought that C students always make great nurses, I doubt that GPA criteria would even exist. My school's administrators always like preface their remarks with the "C students make great nurses" line because they're afraid of offending the C students. Yet, they're still pushing for higher GPA criteria which would, in fact, eliminate more C students from the pool. Actions speak louder than words.

    Yes, I've seen C students who work hard and struggle, and they'll probably still be good nurses. But there are many C students who are careless and just don't take care of business, so to speak. The instructors are always expressing fears about what kind of nurses these people will be.

    If Helllo Nurse thinks A students make better nurses, her opinion is valuable because she's actually a working nurse. And there are a lot of people in the educational system who agree with her. Why do you think they won't let C students become CRNA's? Let's face some facts people and quit making excuses.
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Feb 17, '04
  2. by   Jen2
    Just wanted to say that one of the CRNA schools in my area looks at way more than a GPA. One of the schools looks mostly at ICU/ER experience and the character of the person. One of my instructors who now has her PHd in nursing was a C student in nursing school and was accepted into a graduate program on academic probation, however she was still accepted and made it.

    Also I am in my second semester of an ADN program and in the first semester not one person in the class got an A. The class had a few B's and mostly C's. Does this mean that this class is all dummies? No! Two of our 3 instructors actually write for the NCLEX and often put questions on our exams that were on the NCLEX. Our instructors tell us that A's are great, but there are very few of us who will get A's. A grade of a C is average, which = the average person and the average nurse. If everyone made A's than wouldn't an A really be average? I was one of the few that got a B last semester. I did my best, learned what I could, and I still remember the material. I once had a psych class where the tests were usually take home or open book. I got an A in that class and didn't learn squat.

    In my program C only means that you get to continue. If you do better than the average person than great. In the end it's passing the NCLEX that will determine if you can call yourself nurse. Oh and BTW my best friend made straight A's in nursing school, it took her 3 times to pass her boards.
  3. by   Catma63
    Quote from lizz
    I'm getting tired of this, so the flame retardant suit is on.

    If there is a stereotype that C students are party animals, it's because party animals do tend to get lower grades. That's only logical in any program at any school. Does that mean that every C student is party animal? No. But it probably means that there are more C students who are party animals than A students.

    Let's stop tap dancing around the issue and face some facts here. If the schools really thought that C students always make great nurses, I doubt that GPA criteria would even exist. My school's administrators always like preface their remarks with the "C students make great nurses" line because they're afraid of offending the C students. Yet, they're still pushing for higher GPA criteria which would, in fact, eliminate more C students from the pool. Actions speak louder than words.

    Yes, I've seen C students who work hard and struggle, and they'll probably still be good nurses. But there are many C students who are careless and just don't take care of business, so to speak. The instructors are always expressing fears about what kind of nurses these people will be.

    If Helllo Nurse thinks A students make better nurses, her opinion is valuable because she's actually a working nurse. And there are a lot of people in the educational system who agree with her. Why do you think they won't let C students become CRNA's? Let's face some facts people and quit making excuses.
    Guys, guys, can't we all come together and remember we're all in this together? We're all going for the same goal: To be nurses and danged good ones. Everyone's got their own opinions about this and it's been danced over a humpteen million times, right? Not just in this post. Can't everyone agree to just disagree? Everyone's entitled to their own views...so be it. No skin off of anyone's back, right? C'mon, c'mon, let's kiss/hug/cuddle and make up.....c'mon, whadya say? :kiss :kiss
  4. by   JenRN_2B
    At my school, most of the "party animals" didn't make it past the first semester. All that's left are the serious students, whether then make A's, B's, or C's. Oh and I'm not sure about the other schools out there, but at mine, the nursing program has a higher grading scale. Anything below an 85% is a C and anything below 80% is an F. So even the "average" C student in nursing is above average compared to the rest of the college.
  5. by   Jen2
    Yes my point exactly when the "C" students would really be making A's in any other class, does this make them party animals or indicate that they are stupid or not trying?
  6. by   Ortho_RN
    OMG.. Get over it already.....

    I just think once you become a nurse and start working with other nurses maybe you will realize that grades don't make a nurse.
    Last edit by nurs2b on Feb 17, '04
  7. by   iliel
    Quote from Catma63
    Guys, guys, can't we all come together and remember we're all in this together? We're all going for the same goal: To be nurses and danged good ones. Everyone's got their own opinions about this and it's been danced over a humpteen million times, right? Not just in this post. Can't everyone agree to just disagree? Everyone's entitled to their own views...so be it. No skin off of anyone's back, right? C'mon, c'mon, let's kiss/hug/cuddle and make up.....c'mon, whadya say? :kiss :kiss
    :chuckle I've been getting a kick out of this conversation personally. I'm also one of thoes "party animals" that makes A's. I've always been like that, go out, have some drinks until 3,4 in the am then go to class and take a test. I do fine. And please don't flame me and tell me I better not go in drunk to nursing school...I party, I'm not stupid.
    I've always been this way, I hardly study, it just comes to me. But that's me and I would never sit here and judge anyone based on grades...thats crap plain and simple. You are always going to find someone that fits the mold...A=great nurse or C=crappy nurse...there will always be someone there to back up your claim with. I'm sure 99% of the time you have no idea how well some one did or did not do in school. I bet this conversation would be very different if the shoe was on the other foot. And if you can say honestly that you wouldn't want a prof to pass you if you worked your butt off for a C then fine.
  8. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    C students party animals? Oh jeez, we've strayed.

    Bowing out.
  9. by   JennInColumbus
    For those of you wondering where the OP is... I've been doing what student nurses do... going to school and studying I have a bad habit of spending way too much time reading this board when I should be doing other things, so I usually stay away during the week. (Now if I could just get rid of my addiction to CSI, NCIS, Law and Order, and every forensic show on the planet I'd be great!)

    I think the whole C nurses make better nurses thing is B.S. which is why I find it so annoying and chose to vent here. I did not mean to start some sort of debate over what GPA translates into nursing excellence.

    If you ask me, GPA has far, FAR less to do with nursing excellence than common sense.

    If the question was:
    "Who would you choose for your nurse if you were admitted to a hospital?"
    a) a nurse who was an A student
    b) a nurse who was a B student
    c) a nurse who was a C student
    d) a nurse with a lot of common sense

    my answer would be d every time. I know A students and I know C students and there are some in each category that I wouldn't let care for my great danes.

    I originally posted because I was tired of feeling insulted every time someone said "C nurses make the best nurses". I don't recall making any judgements about grades and if I did I apologize, but the whole point was that I was sick of hearing that little mantra every five minutes at school. If they went around saying "nurses with common sense make the best nurses" I wouldn't be annoyed because it sounds logical and rational.

    Just my first quarter student 2 cents.
  10. by   sun_chica
    At my school, our saying is "C IS PASSING!!!" If you do better, great, the rest of us just want to pass!!!
  11. by   nekhismom
    A "c" student failed out her last semester where i go. She was good, too. Unfortunately some other HORRIBLY INCOMPETANT C students passed. *sigh*
  12. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Ok, I wasn't going to post on this thread again after some of the ridiculous statements and rude comments I've read, but I couldn't resist-

    If anyone here really, truly believes that good grades don't make any difference, then I found this t-shirt that may interest you-


    Maybe the words "proud of it" on the shirt could be changed to "really defensive about it."



    http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/T-Shirts...erachiever.jpg
    Last edit by Hellllllo Nurse on Feb 18, '04
  13. by   manna
    My husband is determined that I will fail as a nursing student because I don't have a lot of God given common sense, but I'm fairly book-smart. I think I may just have to work harder - we all have our own strengths and weaknesses to overcome - for some it's common sense, for others it's more intellectual/academic related issues.

    Of course, I suppose it's better to be happy and proud of your C's, then to stress yourself out about making A's to the point of being physically ill.

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