If I hear "C Nurses make the best nurses" one more time I will scream! - page 5

I'm in my first quarter of nursing school and I keep hearing "C Nurses make the best nurses". It makes me absolutely crazy. I'm the first to admit that being book smart does not mean that you have... Read More

  1. by   Sheri257
    I think there's a misunderstanding about what's been said here. I didn't say that A students do better in clinicals, or anything else for that matter. I did cite a study which was discussed, at length, at my nursing school's meeting on this issue last week. The state of California came to that conclusion and, apparently, a lot of schools agreed with them.

    I don't know whether it's the right or wrong conclusion because, as I previously mentioned, the school administrators also have stated that C students can make great nurses.

    As far as this statement:

    Quote from iliel
    I think it's strange to say the least that the "A" students are complaining about what they hear being said to the "C" students. Why does it matter?
    I don't believe the "A" students are complaining about what is being said to the "C" students. If you read the posts, it's mostly about some, although certainly not all, C students making A students feel bad about getting good grades. This has happened to me personally and, apparently, others as well. If it doesn't happen at your school, then I'm glad and very happy for you. I wish that was the case with students at all schools.
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Feb 16, '04
  2. by   smk1
    [QUOTE=iliel]Thank you! I think it's strange to say the least that the "A" studnets are complaining about what they hear being said to the "C" students. Why does it matter? Why can't ppl just worry about themselves? Do you really feel that bad that you screwed up the curve..and if so why? Never have I seen this attitude in my school. No one is yelling across the room what did you get, no one cares. We all want each other to pass, we all want to see each other in the program in fall or spring, we help each other out in lab. I don't care what their grades are, I will support them and help them, and if they get a better grade in the end then me, then so be it.


    I guess if people in your classes don't harrass others about their grades then just be thankful! It DOES happen in other places. I don't get the sense that anyone is thinking they are better than others or are overly concerned about others grades. and nobody said anything about not wanting to work with "c" nurses. I would however feel mildly insulted if i am working my behind off studying and the instructors constantly put my efforts down by stating that 'c' nurses make the best nurses. IT JUST SIMPLY SHOULD NOT BE SAID. just as it would be EQUALLY wrong to say "A" nurses make the best nurses. It causes friction and tension between students that is not needed. I am not jumping up and down waving my papers around singing about my grades, in fact i try to keep it to myself, but it HAS been MY experience that some students make it an issue and some even hint out loud that some people must be cheating if they are getting 'A's in certain professors classes :angryfire . That kind of stuff is something that some students have to deal with. If some of you don't then consider yourselves lucky, but please don't write posts that seem to question the validity of others experiences.
  3. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    It's gone both ways, plain and simple. If people just MYOG (mind your own grades) no one would have have to post about "C students said this" or "A students said that".

    Few simple rules:

    1) Do not assume all A students have a superiority complex that they'll be the best nurse because they got the best grades.

    2) Do not assume that all the C students are not trying hard enough.

    3) Realize that grades DO matter when it comes to getting into certain advanced programs (ex. CRNA).

    4) Just because you got A's in school doesn't mean you'll be the best nurse.

    5) Just because you got Cs in school doesn't mean you'll be the best nurse.

    6) Generalized degrading comments pertaining to either A or C students based on grades do nothing but **** people off.
  4. by   Sheri257
    Quote from smkoepke

    I guess if people in your classes don't harrass others about their grades then just be thankful! It DOES happen in other places. I don't get the sense that anyone is thinking they are better than others or are overly concerned about others grades. and nobody said anything about not wanting to work with "c" nurses. I would however feel mildly insulted if i am working my behind off studying and the instructors constantly put my efforts down by stating that 'c' nurses make the best nurses. IT JUST SIMPLY SHOULD NOT BE SAID. just as it would be EQUALLY wrong to say "A" nurses make the best nurses. It causes friction and tension between students that is not needed. I am not jumping up and down waving my papers around singing about my grades, in fact i try to keep it to myself, but it HAS been MY experience that some students make it an issue and some even hint out loud that some people must be cheating if they are getting 'A's in certain professors classes :angryfire . That kind of stuff is something that some students have to deal with. If some of you don't then consider yourselves lucky, but please don't write posts that seem to question the validity of others experiences.
    Great post. Thanks.
  5. by   Catma63
    Quote from LPN2Be2004
    It's gone both ways, plain and simple. If people just MYOG (mind your own grades) no one would have have to post about "C students said this" or "A students said that".

    Few simple rules:

    1) Do not assume all A students have a superiority complex that they'll be the best nurse because they got the best grades.

    2) Do not assume that all the C students are not trying hard enough.

    3) Realize that grades DO matter when it comes to getting into certain advanced programs (ex. CRNA).

    4) Just because you got A's in school doesn't mean you'll be the best nurse.

    5) Just because you got Cs in school doesn't mean you'll be the best nurse.

    6) Generalized degrading comments pertaining to either A or C students based on grades do nothing but **** people off.


    Kewlness! Another Virginian! Excellent Post!
  6. by   iliel
    [QUOTE=smkoepke]
    Quote from iliel
    Thank you! I think it's strange to say the least that the "A" studnets are complaining about what they hear being said to the "C" students. Why does it matter? Why can't ppl just worry about themselves? Do you really feel that bad that you screwed up the curve..and if so why? Never have I seen this attitude in my school. No one is yelling across the room what did you get, no one cares. We all want each other to pass, we all want to see each other in the program in fall or spring, we help each other out in lab. I don't care what their grades are, I will support them and help them, and if they get a better grade in the end then me, then so be it.


    I guess if people in your classes don't harrass others about their grades then just be thankful! It DOES happen in other places. I don't get the sense that anyone is thinking they are better than others or are overly concerned about others grades. and nobody said anything about not wanting to work with "c" nurses. I would however feel mildly insulted if i am working my behind off studying and the instructors constantly put my efforts down by stating that 'c' nurses make the best nurses. IT JUST SIMPLY SHOULD NOT BE SAID. just as it would be EQUALLY wrong to say "A" nurses make the best nurses. It causes friction and tension between students that is not needed. I am not jumping up and down waving my papers around singing about my grades, in fact i try to keep it to myself, but it HAS been MY experience that some students make it an issue and some even hint out loud that some people must be cheating if they are getting 'A's in certain professors classes :angryfire . That kind of stuff is something that some students have to deal with. If some of you don't then consider yourselves lucky, but please don't write posts that seem to question the validity of others experiences.
    I NEVER questioned the validity of your or anyone elses statement. I just think it's strange that ppl would do this to a A, B or C student. I think everyone is getting a little too uptight about this topic. Where is OP anyway? My question was this...why do you care so much about what is said to you in class? Who cares if some one assumes you are cheating. Are they taking it to the dean...prob not because they know they don't have a case. They prob are jealous that they aren't doing so well...and that's their problem.
    Geez ppl, I wasn't against you on this.
  7. by   iliel
    Quote from lizz
    I think there's a misunderstanding about what's been said here. I didn't say that A students do better in clinicals, or anything else for that matter. I did cite a study which was discussed, at length, at my nursing school's meeting on this issue last week. The state of California came to that conclusion and, apparently, a lot of schools agreed with them.

    I don't know whether it's the right or wrong conclusion because, as I previously mentioned, the school administrators also have stated that C students can make great nurses.

    As far as this statement:



    I don't believe the "A" students are complaining about what is being said to the "C" students. If you read the posts, it's mostly about some, although certainly not all, C students making A students feel bad about getting good grades. This has happened to me personally and, apparently, others as well. If it doesn't happen at your school, then I'm glad and very happy for you. I wish that was the case with students at all schools.
    Ok, I think maybe I wasn't very clear...I was NEVER trying to say anyone here is complaining about C or A or what ever students. I simply said I think it's strange that any A student would care what any one else get.

    And no, it dosn't happen in my school and I'm sorry that it even happens to anyone.
  8. by   smk1
    Who cares if some one assumes you are cheating. Are they taking it to the dean...prob not because they know they don't have a case. They prob are jealous that they aren't doing so well...and that's their problem.
    Geez ppl, I wasn't against you on this.[/QUOTE]



    I care if someone thinks i am cheating and hints at it out loud. It's rude and uncalled for. and its a slight to my character. It sure doesn't make or break my day but it doesn't help. Wouldn't you care a little bit if your integrity was questioned? in any case like i said before no one is better than anyone else and we all have different school experiences, if yours is supportive and nurturing be thankful because it is an added pain in the you know where for others of us. I made the statement about questioning "validity" because in one of your posts you stated that "no one is yelling grades out across the classroom." which was something that i posted "did" happen. That seemed to negate my experiences. Anyhoo we all have different classes and situations to deal with some of us are in with polite classmates others of us have to deal with some real "winners" as of late. All you can do is do what works and gets us to our goals.
  9. by   ItsyBitsySpider
    Lighten up already!!

  10. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from iliel
    Nope, not true...not true at all. Grades don't matter to me, it dosn't mean I want to fail but I don't put a lot of value into a letter. Oh, and I do get very high grades (A's sometimes B's) and I will support someone who gets a C...because I really don't care what everyones letter grades are. I bet you can't even tell the difference between a C nurse and a B nurse on the floor after X many years can you?
    Sometimes you can tell, sometimes it is glaringly obvious.

    I did not say my statement is true of everyone, but it is generally true. The only people I've ever personally heard attacking good grades and education are those who don't have either.

    I used to work w/ a nurse, who'd been an RN for over 30 years. She often did things like crush Theodur, and cut MS Contin tabs in half. She would chart that wounds had necrotic tissue, purulent drainage, etc, but would never call the doc about it. She worked days and eves, and I'd end up calling the doc on nocs for things she hadn't followed up on. She liked to "brag" about how C=nurse for her, since she was a C student. She'd spoken about barely making it through nursing school- she joked about it.

    We had a pt whose dressing was to be changed on days only, but I'd often change it because she didn't get to it. She would chart that she's changed the dressing when she hadn't- I'd return from several days off and find the dressing I'd applied days before (with my initials and date) still on the pt.
    One noc, I found the pt's leg to be cold, and very pale, pedal pulse absent, white, dead slough on the old dressing, the pts' leg was so pale, I could not observe cap refill. I called the doc and pt was sent to ER, was admitted and had a fem-pop bypass.
    This nurse had charted CMS checks good that eve.

    This nurse would also not see to it that two brittle diabetics we had to got their HS snacks. She would, however, give them their insulin. After having one of these pts have a bs of 35 @ 2400, I started having to wake them to give them the snacks on nocs.



    I work w/ tech who flunked out of nursing school and has been a tech for 18 years. She is constantly saying things like "education is just a piece of paper, it doesn't mean anything." Her statements are so rediculous, and obviously motivated by jealousy.


    There are exceptions to every rule. But, I believe that good grades generally = good nurse.


    Common sense is a good thing, but it in no way makes up for lack of knowledge.
  11. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    As an "A" student, other students with lower grades would snicker and smirk at me, and other "A" students in our program. They would roll their eyes when we asked questions. They made the comments about "ruining" the grade-curve. The "C" students went to the beach or skiing on spring and winter breaks. We "A" students studied and picked up extra shifts at work.

    One of the marginal students went to Las Vegas on a weekend that we were supposed to do volunteer work at a women's shelter through our student nurses' assoc.

    Of course, the same "C" students had no problem calling me at home to ask for help when they got behind.

    In my experience (and I can only speak from my experience) grades reflect a lot more about a person than how much time they spent studying.
  12. by   RedSox33RN
    Personally, I could care less what other people's grades are, and I would take serious offense to someone asking me what mine are. Yes, I get good grades, mostly all A's, but it is my business to share, not someone's to ask. I would never dare ask someone what their grade was. I find it completely rude,and just astounding that so many of you have classmates that feel this is okay to ask.

    I think it has been said that we all have our priorities. To me, A's are important. It means, to ME, that *I* know the material I've been studying. If I get a lower grade, I feel that I need to figure out what I don't know, or learned incorrectly. But that is just me. Many people are comfortable with B's and C's. That's fine. I am certainly not in any position to tell someone they shouldn't be okay with those grades. Grades are a personal thing, between you and your instructor and the school.

    I also feel grading on a curve is completely unfair. Thankfully I've never had a college instructor that does this, and I would seriously question why anyone would do it. It does not teach a student anything further, and does not seem to be a good indicator of knowledge, which is what testing and quizzing is for. Personally I would be offended if someone asked me if I "screwed up the curve". Achieving your best and performing your best should never be secondary to someone else's grades.

    Off my soapbox now! LOL
  13. by   ItsyBitsySpider
    I think your experience has obviously been limited, to put it mildly. There's a step ladder sitting next to your high horse.
    I know that in my program there are approximately 1% of students that are A students. Some of you including the previous poster seem to have stereotyped "C" students as party animals then excuse this by saying this is "your experience". I know many C students that try just as hard as the A ones, study just as much if not more, and put 110% effort in all the time. If there are people who are C students who chose to live their life rather than have school live it for them then that is their choice and one I do not completely disagree with.
    Cheers!

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