If I hear "C Nurses make the best nurses" one more time I will scream! - page 4

I'm in my first quarter of nursing school and I keep hearing "C Nurses make the best nurses". It makes me absolutely crazy. I'm the first to admit that being book smart does not mean that you have... Read More

  1. by   tiredfeetED
    Think the saying goes "C's EARN degree's!!!"

    What do you call the person with worst passing grade in Medical school? "DR." :chuckle
  2. by   LydiaGreen
    I am just about to graduate from nursing school in May. I was on a waiting list to start the program and got in at the end of the fourth week... just a day or two before the cut off. I had to work really, really hard to not only keep with the current material but catch up on the material and assignments that I had missed. My classmates told me that one of the instructors told them they were getting a new student the day before I started and that I would never catch up... blah, blah, blah. We heard from two of our instructors that C students make better nurses and that A students usually crack in clinicals because, although they have a lot of book knowledge, they usually don't have a lot of common sense in how to apply it. Yes, I am serious. This was in perhaps the second semester. It was also a consistent problem that when assignments were returned by one of the instructors, she would invariably have the comment "Well, you all did poorly again, except for one or two of you." Then, she would return the assignments to us, saying nothing to the majority of the class and then something like, "Great work" to the few who did well in her opinion. Sometimes she would actually say the names of the few people who did well, including mine.

    There are students who nag you until they find out your grade, it DOES happen. I know of one student who managed to figure out everyone's student numbers by comparing the admissions assigned numbers with our names in alphabetical order. This list was further complicated because I was a late admission, my number sequence was different, as was that of the RPNs who joined during the second year. But, this student managed to figure it out and whenever grades were posted, she would know everyone else's grade before they did.

    I won't lie... my grades and my GPA are important to me. Not because I intend to go further in my education (I just want to be a nurse). My grades are important to me because I try to do my best and I am capable of high grades because I write well, I am full of bologna (some professors love to read a lot of hooey and I will give it to the ones who want it - letting them read what they want to read), and I have an excellent memory. I honestly don't believe that my grades or those of the other students would have mattered to anyone if the instructors hadn't started that "Cs make a better nurse", "A students can't apply the knowledge", garbage. Sometimes, I think they are just repeating what they were told in nursing school, along with the "nurses eat their young" line (which I also have not witnessed). And sometimes, I think that this division among the class is done intentionally to see how well we deal with stress.
  3. by   NICUbabyRN
    Wow I can't believe how many responses this has gotten. Stop worrying . I know that school is stressful. Just do the best you can do! Do not worry about what others are getting. Smile!
  4. by   Sheri257
    Interesting post Lydia. Just FYI, the state of California did a study of 20 nursing schools. They found that generally, higher GPAs translate into more successful nursing students, both in academics and in clinicals. This study was the basis for many, although not all, state schools switching to GPA criteria for nursing school acceptance.
  5. by   Catma63
    Quote from lizz
    Interesting post Lydia. Just FYI, the state of California did a study of 20 nursing schools. They found that generally, higher GPAs translate into more successful nursing students, both in academics and in clinicals. This study was the basis for many, although not all, state schools switching to GPA criteria for nursing school acceptance.
    Way Kewl information, Lizz! Now may I ask....What's your point? Not being sarcastic or mean; just asking.
  6. by   Sheri257
    Quote from Catma63
    Way Kewl information, Lizz! Now may I ask....What's your point? Not being sarcastic or mean; just asking.
    This was part of Lydia's post:

    Quote from LydiaGreen
    We heard from two of our instructors that C students make better nurses and that A students usually crack in clinicals because, although they have a lot of book knowledge, they usually don't have a lot of common sense in how to apply it.
    The state of California apparently came to a different conclusion. I thought it was relevant to Lydia's post.
  7. by   Catma63
    Quote from lizz
    This was part of Lydia's post:



    The state of California apparently came to a different conclusion. I thought it was relevant to Lydia's post.
    Ahhhhhhh, I see. Yeah,they came to a different conclusion but does a better nursing student mean the same thing as a better nurse? Just pondering out loud here.
    I DO think it was wrong for those instructors to say that C students make better nurses. It also would have been wrong for them to say that A students make better nurses.
    Looove your emoticon, btw.
  8. by   Sheri257
    Quote from Catma63
    Ahhhhhhh, I see. Yeah,they came to a different conclusion but does a better nursing student mean the same thing as a better nurse? Just pondering out loud here.
    I honestly don't know. The administrators at my school frequently say that C students can make great nurses. However, they are also pushing to adopt the above mentioned GPA criteria. There was a nursing school meeting on this subject just last week, where they basically said grades matter, but C students can make good nurses too.

    We also have an ADN and a BSN program in my area. Some hospitals prefer ADNs because there are more clinicals in that particular program. Other hospitals prefer BSNs. I mention this not to get into that debate, but just to point out that there are other factors besides grades that could be considered as well.
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Feb 16, '04
  9. by   CCU NRS
    Just went through the entire thread and after getting this started OP has not been seen! Look at the diversity of opinions here.

    I have never had to supply my transcript at a job interview so no one knows if I am an A or C student IRL, I did better in some subjects than in others, I never set a curve in my life, I can understand how those of you who wish to continue to schools such as CRNA and NP would like to keep your GPA up and be more attractive to schools. To the OP if you are capable of making A's and are doing your best then it really should not matter what other students or Instructors say about C students make better nurse or C= RN etc. One thing I may tell you to keep in mind about instructors is the old saying those who can do and those who can't teach. I had an Instructor that informed me of this himself. He was very demanding and uptight and expected perfection but he admitted he could not do bedside nursing because most people found him to be rude and intolerant. He was right he was rude and intolerant but he was meticulous in teaching principles and theory.

    To all of you going back and forth on the issue of what GPA means to nursing quality you will never truly know what GPA your fellow nurse made in the working world.
  10. by   Ortho_RN
    Quote from lizz
    Interesting post Lydia. Just FYI, the state of California did a study of 20 nursing schools. They found that generally, higher GPAs translate into more successful nursing students, both in academics and in clinicals. This study was the basis for many, although not all, state schools switching to GPA criteria for nursing school acceptance.
    Just curious.. How many nursing schools are there in the state of California... 20 doesn't seem like a very big number for such a big state?? I'm pretty sure they weren't biased when they chose the schools, surveys/studies never are

    I just think its funny, that people who are going to be at the same level when the graduate are arguing over grades. If you are an A student are you going to not work with someone who might have been a C student, b/c you think just because you were an A student that you are better in the clinical area. I doubt it....

    And what do you think about people who it takes 2 sometimes 3 times to pass the NCLEX?? Just wondering..
  11. by   CCU NRS
    Quote from nurs2b
    Just curious.. How many nursing schools are there in the state of California... 20 doesn't seem like a very big number for such a big state?? I'm pretty sure they weren't biased when they chose the schools, surveys/studies never are

    I just think its funny, that people who are going to be at the same level when the graduate are arguing over grades. If you are an A student are you going to not work with someone who might have been a C student, b/c you think just because you were an A student that you are better in the clinical area. I doubt it....

    And what do you think about people who it takes 2 sometimes 3 times to pass the NCLEX?? Just wondering..
    Congrats on Passing!!!
  12. by   iliel
    Quote from CCU NRS
    To all of you going back and forth on the issue of what GPA means to nursing quality you will never truly know what GPA your fellow nurse made in the working world.
    Thank you! I think it's strange to say the least that the "A" studnets are complaining about what they hear being said to the "C" students. Why does it matter? Why can't ppl just worry about themselves? Do you really feel that bad that you screwed up the curve..and if so why? Never have I seen this attitude in my school. No one is yelling across the room what did you get, no one cares. We all want each other to pass, we all want to see each other in the program in fall or spring, we help each other out in lab. I don't care what their grades are, I will support them and help them, and if they get a better grade in the end then me, then so be it.
    Besides, the A students know they are going to get through the program, the C students don't.
    I had a psy prof who told us about a girl in his class a few years back that just looked as though she felt like she was worthless and stupid, on her first test she bombed, but he told her she got a C and she was shocked (he said he lost the paper but had her grade written down) The next test she did so much better and she started to move to the front of the class, by the end she pulled her grade up to a A- (by herself, not with his help) and her confidence was improved 10 fold.
    Maybe this C thing is the same idea. Boost ppls's confidence so they can improve on themselves. Positive reinforcement.
    Really, if your an A student, you shouldn't care about this at all IMHO.
  13. by   Sheri257
    Quote from nurs2b
    Just curious.. How many nursing schools are there in the state of California... 20 doesn't seem like a very big number for such a big state?? I'm pretty sure they weren't biased when they chose the schools, surveys/studies never are
    I can't remember exactly how many nursing schools there are in California, but I think there's somewhere between 70 and 100, depending on how your count them. I think there are about 70 ADN schools, 20 BSN programs and then more if you add specialites like CRNA.

    Maybe there was bias, but 20 is a fairly large sample size. Afterall, political and other public opinion polls don't survey the entire population of millions of people. Usually a presidential poll surveys a tiny fraction of only 2,000 people. Yet, as long as it's random, the small sample size can be a fairly accurate indicator of the outcome of an election.

    Whatever the case may be, that study was the basis for schools going to GPA, if they wanted to. It was up the school, and most schools chose GPA criteria.

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