General question

bashair · Dec 1, 2013

Regime absolute monarchy and there are no political parties,

The cost of the study at the university who is studying nursing in which SR 48000

and There is help from the state for people who can not afford the cost.

bashair · Dec 1, 2013

yea all men Driving

ixchel · Dec 1, 2013

Regime absolute monarchy and there are no political parties The cost of the study at the university who is studying nursing in which SR 48000 and There is help from the state for people who can not afford the cost.[/quote']
I just went on a currency converter. That's equivalent to about $12,700 here, which is pretty inexpensive for a 4-year degree. If you go to a state school (which tends to be the least expensive way of doing it for 4-year degrees), you will spend at least twice as much here. How do you qualify for aid there? Here you fill out something called the FAFSA (free application for federal student aid) and they assess your ability to pay for school. They estimate how much they think you can pay, and the amount you get for school is based on that. They have grants (which you don't pay back) and loans (which you do, some with interest and some without). If you take a loan, they have flexible repayment options, but typically the spread the repayment over 10 years. But you can only qualify if it is your first degree at that level. So if you get a 2-year degree, you can't get aid for another one. If you earn a bachelors degree, you can't get federal grants for another.
Does absolute monarchy mean that the ruling person makes all of the laws as well?

ixchel · Dec 1, 2013

yea all men Driving

Do you hope for this to change?

KelRN215, BSN, RN · Dec 1, 2013

Are you allowed to drive a car?

One of my patients is a teenage girl from Saudi Arabia. Actually today is her 18th birthday. Recently, I was talking to her about things here vs. things there and I was curious if turning 18 meant the same thing in Saudi Arabia as it does here. Somehow I asked her about driving and she just matter-of-factly stated "women are not allowed to drive." That's something that I don't often consider in every day life. Shortly thereafter she mentioned that her family has their own driver so she doesn't need to drive anyway.

It's always interesting caring for people from other parts of the world. I have patients from all over- Russia, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Angola, Colombia, probably more places that I'm forgetting right now. We're in New England and some of them had never seen leaves change colors or fall off trees before. By October, they think temperatures are sub-zero and I'm walking around in a t-shirt. I had a patient's grandmother tell me how cold it was here a couple weeks ago when it was 50 degrees. Unfortunately, she's not going to like what's coming in the next three months.

Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN · Dec 1, 2013

we need to also remember that it is 1130pm in Saudi....I look forward for them to come back and discuss where they live.

dreamingofbeing · Dec 1, 2013

Welcome Bashair. I am finding this post very interesting.

Guests · Dec 2, 2013

Are there men who are nurses?

How do the physicians treat the nurses?

tyvin, BSN, RN · Dec 8, 2013

Yes, it's nice to have a driver but when cultural differences are so great I want all nurses from the United States to not romantise it too much. That means your freedom to drive isn't just cut off but there are specific rules of who is in the car driving you. I think we take advantage of our freedom here in America. There are many other rules for women over there that would probably shock you but I just wanted to bring up the driving. Take that and realize that freedom for women in Saudi Arabia is different when compared to women in America.

Recently a 19 year old female was sitting in a car with what the Saudi court says was a strange male (she apparently knew him and was trying to retrieve a picture from him). In the interim 2 other males got into the car and the women was driven to a location where she was gang raped by 7 men. She charged them with rape and the men were sentenced and then the sentence was reduced (I don't know why). The women was not suppose to be in the car without a proper chaperone (women can't be seen in public or driven by males who are not related to them or are not their official chaperone). Then in a turn of events the court gave the women 200 lashes and 6 months in jail for what the court says "trying to manipulate the media."

Like any other country nurses may go, please study the laws they have in place for their women.

I respect Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has kept their customs and culture in tact and are proud of that. I am not shining a negative light on the country but what is norm for them is not for us in America. Many American women have no idea what they have when it comes to their freedom.

I understand that a movement by some very brave Saudi women has resulted in Saudi Arabia allowing women the vote and to run for office to begin in 2015! Hopefully it comes to fruition. The king has declared that women will vote in 2015...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CE4QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Fsaudi-king-grants-voting-rights-to-women%2F&ei=wuukUpPvCc38oATO0oJw&usg=AFQjCNEzaHY83PGwAftcfKG3w_0Ogq8KSA&sig2=8sx-7pqwGUSk_UmGWd0wBg&bvm=bv.57752919,d.cGU

I think it's appropriate to bring up cultural differences that could make a difference for women going over there to work. Women have a specific role in Saudi Arabia and are held by Sharia and tribal law to those rules.

ixchel · Dec 10, 2013

Yes it's nice to have a driver but when cultural differences are so great I want all nurses from the United States to not romantise it too much. That means your freedom to drive isn't just cut off but there are specific rules of who is in the car driving you. I think we take advantage of our freedom here in America. There are many other rules for women over there that would probably shock you but I just wanted to bring up the driving. Take that and realize that freedom for women in Saudi Arabia is different when compared to women in America. Recently a 19 year old female was sitting in a car with what the Saudi court says was a strange male (she apparently knew him and was trying to retrieve a picture from him). In the interim 2 other males got into the car and the women was driven to a location where she was gang raped by 7 men. She charged them with rape and the men were sentenced and then the sentence was reduced (I don't know why). The women was not suppose to be in the car without a proper chaperone (women can't be seen in public or driven by males who are not related to them or are not their official chaperone). Then in a turn of events the court gave the women 200 lashes and 6 months in jail for what the court says "trying to manipulate the media." Like any other country nurses may go, please study the laws they have in place for their women. I respect Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia has kept their customs and culture in tact and are proud of that. I am not shining a negative light on the country but what is norm for them is not for us in America. Many American women have no idea what they have when it comes to their freedom. I understand that a movement by some very brave Saudi women has resulted in Saudi Arabia allowing women the vote and to run for office to begin in 2015! Hopefully it comes to fruition. The king has declared that women will vote in 2015... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CE4QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Fsaudi-king-grants-voting-rights-to-women%2F&ei=wuukUpPvCc38oATO0oJw&usg=AFQjCNEzaHY83PGwAftcfKG3w_0Ogq8KSA&sig2=8sx-7pqwGUSk_UmGWd0wBg&bvm=bv.57752919,d.cGU I think it's appropriate to bring up cultural differences that could make a difference for women going over there to work. Women have a specific role in Saudi Arabia and are held by Sharia and tribal law to those rules.

This post is both informative and sad.

My family is culturally American, and we have Muslim friends from the Middle East. I've always been the early to bed type, but he isn't, so frequently he'll visit them in their home. The wives literally hide, except to bring food or drinks. My husband has never spoken to the wives. He invited me to go to their home sometime and bring the kids, since our kids are around them as age as theirs. I asked him to politely decline but if you want to know the truth, I don't think I could ever be in the home of a person who might expect me to hide from other men. When I voiced that concern to my husband he said basically that it makes sense to him because this prevents infidelity. Uhhhhhh yeah, we had a good long talk about that. I mean no disrespect to anyone here if they share these beliefs but I don't believe for a second that hiding a woman's every inch of skin is a reasonable means of preventing the lustful ways of others. I think people are responsible for their OWN behaviors and the way a woman dresses or the fact that she exists in a room where memberes might be present has nothing to do with the control of their memberes.