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Forced wearing of nursing cap. - page 9

I'm a senior registered nursing student and our school has a pinning ceremony to mark the completion of our program. Our class contains about 20% men, equal split of black and white in both... Read More

  1. Visit  somenurse profile page
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    Quote from FDW630
    I agree with you. I don't think it should matter either way. But I wouldn't be feeling victimized if I lost a majority vote. It would be dumb and I wouldn't want to wear one, but I'm not going to miss my pinning over a little white hat. Even for principle. It isn't an important issue to be riled up over either way. Woosah is the name of the game.

    it is possible, (we don't know, but, it is possible) that the students saying THEY want to wear a cap, did not realize by saying that,
    equated to forcing everyone to wear the lil pointy hat or not be allowed to go.

    The OP had a valid point, a worthy question, and posting on a forum is not "being victimized". History should prove,
    majority votes
    can be compatible with discrimination. MmmmHm.


    It might not be an important issue to you, but, maybe attending the pinning ceremony IS important to the OP, who knows. Attending mine was to me, anyway.
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  2. Visit  somenurse profile page
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    Quote from x_factor
    Gotta love it when the "discrimination" card is pulled out over something this mundane. It's a hat. Wear it or don't. But out of all the trials and tribulations of nursing school, and a HAT is what puts a kink in your gears? I'd just be happy I'm graduating, happy I made it through. I'd probably do a backflip across the stage while wearing a chicken suit if they asked me to, just to know that my journey was finally complete and I was graduating. Something as absurd as wearing a hat or not would not even begin to put a damper on my happiness to be graduating. I'd wear it with a smile.

    It's a hat. It's just not that serious.

    This is your right.

    But this is, by definition, discrimination,
    to force one gender to wear something they may feel is ridiculous,
    something completely outside the norm for today's clothing,
    but, not the other gender.

    I'd have zero complaint, if both genders were being forced to wear a pointy hat to attend. Well, i'd think it was silly, but, it's not discrminatory, it'd be just part of the deal.

    The OP never said she was livid, btw, just seems to think it was unfair for people without penises to be forbidden to attend their own pinning ceremony unless they wore a hat from a previous century.
    Last edit by somenurse on Dec 13, '12
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    Quote from psu_213
    I'm sorry, but wearing a cap for a ceremony is NOT discrimination when taken in the light of federal funding. Why are you trying to turn it into that??

    If they said "men wears suits, women wear bikinis"...yes that is discrimination. I know the example seems silly, but not more silly than that saying being "forced" to wear a cap is discrimination.

    Sorry, to get worked up about you comment, but this sort of "victim" talk is really going to far!

    Your post is the first one i've noticed that uses the word "victim". The OP never used that word. And yes, she is being "forced" to wear a hat which has various meanings to various humans,
    to attend a pretty big event in her life. If she doesn't don the pointy lil hat, (cuz she has no penis) then she can not attend the graduation. Missing this event is a big deal for some graduates.

    so is participating in what might feel like sexist costuming for some professional women. Many of today's modern women do balk at irrational rules which apply only to women.

    (slightly off topic, but, i wish my friends in the middle east were as free to complain about irrational rules, too, rules "from the majority", "in the name of tradition", applied only to women, with no rational basis, etc)
    Last edit by somenurse on Dec 13, '12
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    I think nursing schools should leave it up to each student, to decide to wear a cap,
    or not wear a cap.

    I think nursing schools should allow even those modern women who don't care to wear garb from the past, to still attend this very big event in a nurse's life. (it's a big event for most graduates, anyway).

    but,
    that's just me.
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    Quote from BrandonLPN
    My attitude is also "who cares?". As in "who cares if she comes to graduation without a cap on?" If her classmates get all spazed out about her not wearing a cap it's on *them*. What, is one female student showing up uncapped going to ruin their special "look at me, I'm a princess" day? Graduating from nursing school is it's own honor. One (or more) student refusing to wear a silly cap isn't going to ruin anything.

    ^THIS!!
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    Quote from Jean Marie46514
    Your post is the first one i've noticed that uses the word "victim". The OP never used that word. And yes, she is being "forced" to wear a hat which has various meanings to various humans,
    to attend a pretty big event in her life. If she doesn't don the pointy lil hat, (cuz she has no penis) then she can not attend the graduation. Missing this event is a big deal for some graduates.

    so is participating in what might feel like sexist costuming for some professional women. Many of today's modern women do balk at irrational rules which apply only to women.

    (slightly off topic, but, i wish my friends in the middle east were as free to complain about irrational rules "from the majority", "in the name of tradition", applied only to women, too)
    The OP, in her poll, asked if her school's policy was sexist. She implies that it is. If it is, she is a victim. She believes the policy is sexist, she believes she is a victim.

    She asked if the school should be barred from getting federal government money if they discriminate. If they discriminate against her, she is a victim. She believes they discriminated, therefore, she believes she is a victim.

    As a modern, professional man, I balk at rules that apply only to men (see my post about my school's dress code for our pinning ceremony). I also realize that they are battles worth fighting and times to just let it go. The dress code for a ceremony--let it go.

    P.S. I don't see any reason why the women should be forced to wear a cap. I just think its a bit extreme to be yelling "discrimination!"
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    Quote from psu_213
    The OP, in her poll, asked if her school's policy was sexist. She implies that it is. If it is, she is a victim. She believes the policy is sexist, she believes she is a victim.

    She asked if the school should be barred from getting federal government money if they discriminate. If they discriminate against her, she is a victim. She believes they discriminated, therefore, she believes she is a victim.

    As a modern, professional man, I balk at rules that apply only to men (see my post about my school's dress code for our pinning ceremony). I also realize that they are battles worth fighting and times to just let it go. The dress code for a ceremony--let it go.

    P.S. I don't see any reason why the women should be forced to wear a cap. I just think its a bit extreme to be yelling "discrimination!"

    Near as i can tell, no one here is yelling, just discussing the nursing cap. I don't always view those who have different viewpoints from me, as "yelling" or even hostile/upset/need to chill out/ etc (other posts, not yours)
    but,
    some folks do figure,
    "if they don't agree with me, they are yelling."


    I'm not yelling, i just don't see the rational basis for forcing the women to don what IS seen by many to be a sexist headgear. Not all modern, professional women appreciate wearing a frenchmaid looking hat.


    IF IF IF the OP could attend, with or without a cap, fine, no problem. But denying her to participate,
    unless she wears this hat which apparently makes no sense to her,
    can feel like a big deal. It IS discrimination to deny her attendance to this event unless she wears what feels like a silly bit of sexist headwear cuz she has no penis.
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    To the OP,
    go to your big event,
    and just announce that you are now a transvestite,
    so you'll be skipping the lil frenchmaid looking hat.
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    Quote from Jean Marie46514
    Near as i can tell, no one here is yelling, just discussing the nursing cap. I don't always view those who have different viewpoints from me, as "yelling" or even hostile/upset/need to chill out/ etc (other posts, not yours)
    but,
    some folks do figure,
    "if they don't agree with me, they are yelling."


    I'm not yelling, i just don't see the rational basis for forcing the women to don what IS seen by many to be a sexist headgear. Not all modern, professional women appreciate wearing a frenchmaid looking hat.


    IF IF IF the OP could attend, with or without a cap, fine, no problem. But denying her to participate,
    unless she wears this hat which apparently makes no sense to her,
    can feel like a big deal. It IS discrimination to deny her attendance to this event unless she wears what feels like a silly bit of sexist headwear cuz she has no penis.
    Maybe yelling is the wrong word for me to use...however, the OP asked if it is right if a school that discriminates based on gender still receives federal funding. (I paraphrase) For me, that is a ridiculous question. Do I think its silly to make all the women wear caps? Very silly. However, I would be, well, mad as heck if my school raises tuition or my financial aid was jeopardized because the school has to defend itself from frivolous charges.
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    Quote from psu_213
    Maybe yelling is the wrong word for me to use...however, the OP asked if it is right if a school that discriminates based on gender still receives federal funding. (I paraphrase) For me, that is a ridiculous question. Do I think its silly to make all the women wear caps? Very silly. However, I would be, well, mad as heck if my school raises tuition or my financial aid was jeopardized because the school has to defend itself from frivolous charges.

    Yes, that probably would make you mad.
    but, pulling federal funding is eggggzactly how many anti-discrimination rules are enforced. MOney is always bottom line on so many things.

    BUT, good news, I rather doubt this would rise to that level,
    because
    i'd imagine,
    if if if if if if if it actually appeared someone actually did call a lawyer, or the ACLU, or whoever,
    my guess is,
    the school board would ask themselves, "Is forcing people without penises to wear irrational headgear against their will really worth a lawsuit?" and change the rules to make the lil pointy cap optional, not mandatory.

    and i think, in a thread that is now 12 pages long,
    it seems only a very few of the 100s of posts
    have even mentioned legal recourse. It's not the main gist of this thread, imo.
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  11. Visit  FDW630 profile page
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    I just don't get where it is discrimination. It is a dress code. What about the schools that require the guys to wear a tie? "No fair...the women aren't required to wear ties! I I hate ties and I voted 'no' on them. I am totally being discriminated against." Same theory. Since when is not requiring a man to wear a woman's accessory discrimination against women? OP can disagree with the requirement and think hats are ridiculous and be upset that she is required to wear one all she wants, but it isn't discrimination. I feel like calling nitpicky things like this "discrimination" cheapens the actual definition for people who actually are victims of it.

    I can see why OP is upset. I wouldn't be, because I wouldn't care. I also don't think it is something to be so riled up about.

    Choose your battles, people.
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    Quote from FDW630
    I just don't get where it is discrimination. It is a dress code. What about the schools that require the guys to wear a tie? "No fair...the women aren't required to wear ties! I I hate ties and I voted 'no' on them. I am totally being discriminated against." Same theory. Since when is not requiring a man to wear a woman's accessory discrimination against women? OP can disagree with the requirement and think hats are ridiculous and be upset that she is required to wear one all she wants, but it isn't discrimination. I feel like calling nitpicky things like this "discrimination" cheapens the actual definition for people who actually are victims of it.

    I can see why OP is upset. I wouldn't be, because I wouldn't care. I also don't think it is something to be so riled up about.

    Choose your battles, people.
    A tie IS a customary bit of clothing for men. Women could probably wear ties if they wanted to. In the 80s, there was a bit of a fad with women wearing ties, no one minded.

    A little frenchmaid looking hat is not a bit of customary clothing for anyone now. It does not have positive connotations for all modern professional women.
    The older nurses who still wear the caps, are pretty infrequent now. I've seen one in past ten years. One.


    It IS discrimination IF the OP is not allowed to attend her ceremony,
    if her gender is singled out to wear some bit of clothing that feels sexist to her, or might feel irrational to her,
    based on the fact she has no penis.


    If they said, "Wear a cap if you want to. Skip the cap if it strikes you as archaic, sexist, etc, skip the cap and come celebrate with us anyway." FINE!! NO PROBLEM. (OKAY, i kinda embellished the remarks in ways they probably would not have said, ha ha, sorry!)

    but,
    to be denied the chance and honor to participate
    if the people without penises don't wear lil pointy hats,
    IS discrimination.


    Sure, many seem to think not attending one's pinning is no big deal. It was a big deal to me. It might feel like a big deal to the OP, who knows. It IS an irrational thing to mandate this. there is no logical reason to force one gender to dress up in odd ways for these modern times to participate. Optional? i'm all for it! Yay!


    it's debatable whether having a discussion on a forum equates to "being riled up" or a "battle" but, many people do seem to think, calmly expressing opinions which dont' match other opinions, is the same thing as "being riled up". I don't see it that way, though.

    i do understand the OP's point, it is an irrational thing she is being forced to do to participate in her own ceremony. It should not have been mandatory, imo,
    but only optional. <----no problemo, if it is only optional,
    then,
    everyone is happy.
    Last edit by somenurse on Dec 13, '12
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    Quote from psu_213
    I'm sorry, but wearing a cap for a ceremony is NOT discrimination when taken in the light of federal funding. Why are you trying to turn it into that??

    If they said "men wears suits, women wear bikinis"...yes that is discrimination. I know the example seems silly, but not more silly than that saying being "forced" to wear a cap is discrimination.

    Sorry, to get worked up about you comment, but this sort of "victim" talk is really going to far!
    If one is FTM transgender, than this is not going too far. And insulting to suggest one is being a "victim" or some pp comments of "just wear it already" and "it could affect your JOB" If one's personal political and/or religious beliefs are such that this is not something that they do not want to participate in wearing.....well, then so be it. The purpose is pinning, not who wears what when. BTW my LPN class was not given the option to wear caps. The director of the program felt it a priveledge of an RN to wear one.

    The only person I have seen wear a cap with a scrub set was Nurse Dixie on those old episodes of "Emergency" from the 70's.

    With all that being said, this is a class of adults. Who should be able to wear whatever combination of hat/scrub that they want to in whatever color the class could choose. Honestly, who is going to stand up and say "HEYYYYY that student is NOT wearing a cap....she should be EXCUSED!!!" Betcha a coke that one of the females in a cap will in fact wear the dress and hose with it. And should be able to if they would like.
    This is not some sort of cult thing......
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