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I'm a senior registered nursing student and our school has a pinning ceremony to mark the completion of our program. Our class contains about 20% men, equal split of black and white in both... Read More

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    Quote from PatMac10,SN
    Don't be ludicrous. Segregation is a belittling and illegal force that went on for Years. It put one person above another, and deemed the slave as an unintelligent Living thing. So that comparison was in NO WAY justifiable. Also the OP and get other classmates had a voice in the matter, many times oppressed people NEVER did. Under the name of democracy, the class voted, and the OP lost. End if story. She can fight it, that's her right. However I doubt the the program director would budge unless half the class or more had an issue with it. My program voted on it and came to that conclusion.

    Firstly, the wearing cap, especially now-a-days at pinnings, was never meant as a negative sign or derogatory action. It signified that you were a special person. It is meant to be an honor, not a tribulation. Women wear them at pinning for a brief time because of the many of the intelligent people that helped structure the current nursing practice wore those caps, which signified they were trusted healers.

    So women have only been oppressed for a few months, thus it's ok?

    If wearing the cap is such an "honor," it's not fair to not allow the men to be equally honored.
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    Quote from wooh

    So women have only been oppressed for a few months, thus it's ok?
    If wearing the cap is such an "honor," it's not fair to not allow the men to be equally honored.
    Because its part of the females uniform. Duh!
    Plus the OP had a clear choice. She doesn't have to wear the thing, just if she doesn't she can't participate, it's simple.



    Personally if I was director of her program it wouldn't matter to me, but whatever was decided would have to be uniform across the board. The only way to ensure uniformity is via a majority vote or executive decision. The school reserves the power to dictate what it's uniform policy will be for clinical, special ceremonies, and graduations.

    Unfortunately democracy has its flaws in some cases, it doesn't cater to the wants of the minority.
    Last edit by PatMac10,RN on Dec 18, '12
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    Wow. This is such gross misrepresentation of the situation
    How is it a gross misrepresentation? One class of people is forced to do something that another class of people is not.
    If you don't like the, "Stand in the back" then change it to black people have to wear a hat, white people in the class can't wear a hat. Discrimination? Maybe unimportant (to you) discrimination, but is that discrimination? Would you tell a black man to just go along and wear the hat?
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    We voted also and we wore the cap and a white nursing dress with white hose and white nursing shoes. There were some women in the white pants and men had a different white scrub top. It's tradition and although I didn't like the hat I felt like part of a family of nurses and wore it proudly. I viewed it as more of a symbol than anything else. I hope you don't miss your pinning because of the cap. Best of luck.
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    How is it a gross misrepresentation? One class of people is forced to do something that another class of people is not.
    If you don't like the, "Stand in the back" then change it to black people have to wear a hat, white people in the class can't wear a hat. Discrimination? Maybe unimportant (to you) discrimination, but is that discrimination? Would you tell a black man to just go along and wear the hat?
    One had no idea a square meter or less of fabric could make so many women feel "threatened" and or some how diminished.

    As for the discrimination thing, it always amazes one how so many females pick and choose that battle. Wedding veils, high heels, Spanx, girdles, control top panty hose and a whole lot of other assorted items have their roots in the subjugations of females yet that does not seem to bother scores of American women. Indeed the inventor of Spanx is a billionare from her invention so that speaks to a quite large demand.

    On another matter of "discrimination" it is also a wonder how so many Amercian women will jump to claim such things when it works in their favor. Social Security and certain other tax/federal benefits are all skewed and or were designed for the *ahem* protection of women,wives and mothers. It is mainly out of equality laws they apply both ways, but by and large their purpose was to benefit the fair sex. That somehow does not bother many women so much.

    More and more employers of all sorts and that includes hospitals when seeking nurses are looking for team players and or those who are willing to put certain personal quibbles aside for the greater good. If the OP and others are going to nail their colours over wearing a cap for the <three hours of so of a graduation/pinning ceremony I wish them the best of luck in future.
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    So OP should be a "team player." If OP was a black person being forced to wear a hat because of her skin color rather than her genitalia, would you be telling OP to be a team player?
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    Quote from wooh

    How is it a gross misrepresentation? One class of people is forced to do something that another class of people is not.
    If you don't like the, "Stand in the back" then change it to black people have to wear a hat, white people in the class can't wear a hat. Discrimination? Maybe unimportant (to you) discrimination, but is that discrimination? Would you tell a black man to just go along and wear the hat?
    You can continue to change the scenario in attempt to make a case for discrimination, but in the end, it is not applicable to the original scenario or the OP.

    Perhaps you are defining discrimination as simple differentiation, in that case it's true, I would be able to discriminate/differentiate who was male or female by their hat. The problems when you make the leap to arguing that by wearing said hat (or by nature of their gender) they are being subjected to some form of preferential or detrimental treatment, which is simply not the case.
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    So how much can they force on women but not on men before it's "discrimination" if this isn't it? Where's the line for you? Can they require women to wear headscarves to class? To clinical as part of the women's clinical uniform? Can they require transvaginal ultrasounds for the school physical? Can they give men and women different exams? Where is the line? Because obviously it's in a much different place for me (who thinks there shouldn't be a different requirement on any of this between the men and women.)
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    I think the topic has gone somewhere over to the left. The original issue is about GENDER discrimination related to acceptable attire for females and males, Specifically having to wear a cap because the majority voted and whether that is right or wrong.

    For me I wouldn't want to wear it because I think it looks ridiculous, not because of any feminist issues I have. If it were me, I don't know what I would actually do because I'm not in that position, and I don't feel that's strongly as you and some others do.

    They gave you a choice, wear the cap or don't go. If you feel that strongly that you feel you can't put it aside to participate in your own ceremony then don't. I know if I felt that strongly about the whole thing as you do, I just wouldn't go.

    To bring anything else, like whether they should receive funding, calling a state rep over it, and some of the other things being brought up, seem to be a bit extra to me. By the time anything would get worked out, the ceremony will be long over and you will be long gone.
    Last edit by jtboog2003 on Dec 18, '12
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    So how much can they force on women but not on men before it's "discrimination" if this isn't it? Where's the line for you? Can they require women to wear headscarves to class? To clinical as part of the women's clinical uniform? Can they require transvaginal ultrasounds for the school physical? Can they give men and women different exams? Where is the line? Because obviously it's in a much different place for me (who thinks there shouldn't be a different requirement on any of this between the men and women.)
    For your late night reading material:

    Tailoring a dress code: How to write the rules - amednews.com

    Equality, Diversity and Discrimination: How to Comply with the Law, Promote ... - Lynda A. C. Mac Donald - Google Books


    Dress Codes and Employee Appearance | HR Topics for human resources#

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    The tailoring a dress code article was a good one.
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    Sorry OP. I think I would be pretty upset in that situation too. This is a ceremony, important but not a life-death situation that they have to force someone to do something. If students want to wear the cap, they should be free to do so; and if they don't want to wear it, they should have that choice as well.

    Not suggesting that you do this, but if I were put in your shoes I would just skip it (as long as I can still get my degree that's all that matters). I actually skipped my HS graduation and my master degree graduation, and only attended my Bachelor's graduation because my parents would like to go. To me, it is what I can do with my degree that matters and I am proud of my accomplishment whether or not there is recognition.
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    Can you get away with different dress codes? Yes. Should you be able to? No.
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