For those "medicly minded" students feeling like they're in the wrong field of study. - page 3

Fellow suferrers, I'm writing this because there may be others like me out there before I realized that nursing has almost nothing to do with science, or medicine, and is often at odds with the... Read More

  1. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    From Drkate
    Glad to hear you found the courage to make the change. It's often hard for those of us who are comfortable and suited to nursing to realize that some people are not. It cna be equally hard to know of you're staying or leaving for a reason other than inertia or fear.
    Good insight into the dilemma.

    I felt like a "quitter" when I thought that I might not stay in nursing. The more I tried to fit in, the more isolated by my beliefs I became.
    In my second year of prerequisites when I faced developmental psychology for the first of 3 tries(I was 4.0 in science) I thought that it must be an attitude problem. the other students not only seemed to be enjoying it, but excceling at it. These same students barely scrapped by in the sciences and loathed them, but just loved psychology.

    After observing that phenomenon in all psychology classes, and experiencing the same lack of apptitude for the heavily weighted nursing classes, I decided that the possibility of getting through it without "buying in" to the psychosocial basis of all things was remote. Skimming the classes with medical sounding names like pharmacology, physical assessment, and medication administration helped me make a decision that was based on sound reasoning.
  2. by   fergus51
    Originally posted by Peeps Mcarthur
    By Fergus51



    Looking at 2 semesters of calculus and 2 of organic chem..............I will take that luck, youbetcha

    The introduction of science in the second year would be too little too late for me. The basis of the program is set. A program that is saying "psychosocial issues are more important than medical ones" would stress the "touchy-feely" in the first year. I think that's what your program is saying and I know that's what my program is saying. The exams heavily weighted questions to favor psychology and reward the student that thinks along those lines first.
    I got a "B" by simply erring on the sappy side of the question. If there was a roll-your-eyes touchy-feely answer you could just ignore the possible science.

    Yup, I was guessing.:chuckle
    So are you just finishing the first year? Our first year was so touchy feely because we didn't have any experience in clinical yet. We learned our skills in the lab, and did a geriatric rotation for the whole second semestre. I almost died. I swear, some of your posts could be me during that time!:roll Luckily in second year we started spending half our time in clinical and taking pathophys and pharm, with only one touchy feely course! By our final semestre we only had 2 weeks of class before going out to do our practicum. I probably would have changed to another field of study after the first year (especially if the next 3 were more of the same!), but didn't have the resources. Turned out well for me, but I know some of my classmates did regret going into nursing. I am sure PA school will be interesting.
  3. by   CathyNurse2b
    Peeps:

    Just a thought, but it seems to me that you need some "touchy-feely" ability to work with people. A person is not just a medical diagnosis. One thing I look for in a physician is the ability of that person to talk with me, as well as good diagnostic skills.

    When my father had bypass surgery, my step-mother picked a doctor with zero people skills. When my father suffered a stroke during surgery, which the doctor took two days to diagnose because he wouldn't listen to my cousin who is a nurse tell him something was wrong with my father, I wanted to sue the pants off the doctor. My father changed doctors to someone who diagnosed an abdominal aneurysm and followed him until it was time for surgery. This doctor was just wonderful. He even let me come into the exam room with my father and explained everything that he was doing. He could have screwed up big time, but I wouldn't have sued him because I knew he would have done his best.
  4. by   Stargazer
    Originally posted by Peeps Mcarthur
    If I saw a program like the one you describe I would have looked into it, but would have wondered about its basis if OB was stressed. At my former program pediatrics and OB are entire semesters. In medical terms they are areas of specialty, not basic training.
    My program didn't "stress" OB, but yes, OB and Peds were each separate clinical rotations. I believe this is the same in medical school, respiratory therapy programs, etc. You could posit that OB is a specialty area of training, I suppose, but I would really have to argue that anyone who calls themselves "nurse" or "Doctor" should not be completely unable to treat a pediatric patient without first undergoing extensive post-graduate training.
    My program totaly skimmed the physical assessment and insisted that we were making a nursing assessment instead. We focused on therapeutic communication and psychosocial history taking.
    Another example of weak curicculum was that we were taught correct placement of the auscultation points but not how to analyze the sounds we heard, or what they meant to the patient's physical needs, and the possible pathophysiology behind them. Big woop! I know were to auscultate, and if your lucky, how to describe it in the notes, but I don't really know how that relates to the medical model or what to do with the information.
    Yeah, your program sucked, period. Assessment was heavily stressed in my program, and I firmly believe that it is the cornerstone of everything you do or plan for your patient. How do you know if there's been a critical (or subtle) change in your patient if you haven't done a thorough assessement first? One of our big milestones came at the end of Med-Surg I, where our clinical instructor chose a random patient for us--one we'd never seen before--and we had approximately 30 minutes to do a thorough head-to-toe physical assessement on him/her (with our instructor watching) and document it. Nerve-wracking, but valuable.

    Again, I'm sorry you got stuck in a sucky program, and I think that program is doing ALL of its students (not just the science geeks) a critical desservice; but I'd like to reiterate that your experiences are not necessarily applicable to all, or even most, nursing programs. Hopefully this thread will help educate potential nursing students on the kind of questions they should be asking before enrolling in any program. Good luck to you.
    Last edit by Stargazer on Dec 18, '02
  5. by   MidwifeWannaB
    I agree with gonnabeanurse. The whole reason I chose to go to nursing school is because I want to help people, but not just medically. Nursing is all about treating the whole person. I figure if you want to help them, but not be all "touchy feely" with them, be a doctor.


    aimee
  6. by   Mito
    Peeps,

    WOW!!, the last testamonial I read as powerful as yours started with "Friends, Romans, Countrymen lend me your ears". Very few people have what it takes to stand up to the nursing profession and say either I don't like this program or I this is not for me. I admire that , while I have enjoyed the last 3 years in a diploma program (Ontario) your ADN or something like it I have to agree it is not for everyone.

    I however, like the program for the exact reason you don't while we had a good deal of science it was a patient focused, assessment based program and while these skills require critical thinking and common sense they are however just what I was looking for, I hope you do find the health care field you will be happy in.

    Mito
  7. by   EmeraldNYL
    Yeah Peeps, I agree with the others that your program totally sucks a$$. I actually go to a nursing program at a university that is very well known for engineering and technology, so my program is really heavy on the science. We have to do a full head to toe assessment while professors watch behind a two-way mirror (which is the same thing the PA students do)! Yes, I still have the psych classes too, but I like those as well. While psychology isn't calculus or organic chemistry, it is still science and based on research. I had the option of going into research but it is because I enjoy the psychosocial aspects as well as the medical and science aspects that I went into a health care field and didn't become a lab rat!
  8. by   llg
    Peeps:

    A lot of people have contributed some valuable thoughts to this thread. Again, I thank you for initiating it. While nursing (or maybe, just your particular program) may not be for you, I hope you can someday learn to respect nursing for its inclusion of NOT ONLY the physical sciences, BUT ALSO the social sciences and the humanities.

    Some people who are oriented and/or educated in the physical science develop an attitude that only the physical sciences are legitimate and that everything else is BAD science. The social sciences and the humanities are quite legitimate fields of study and they address very real aspects of human existence. They are, as you well know, much more "murky" and imprecise. Human behavior and emotions are much less conisistent and much more difficult to control and study than are chemicals, cells, and other physical things that can be isolated in a lab.

    I hope you can someday see the value in all fields of study and all disciplines even though you can recognize their differences -- and find the one that's right for you.

    llg
  9. by   Mattigan
    Originally posted by Peeps Mcarthur

    and one lonely little chemistry course
    dang... did I ever go to the wrong school. I had to take Chem I&II, Organic Chem and Biochem.


    I admire you for redirecting yourself... it's too easy to just stick with a familiar path.
  10. by   Love-A-Nurse
    peeps, if nothing else, you are intriguing, impressive, elucidate yourself with words well and peek interests from a variety of subjects, i see you as being an educator who will spark the desire to learn. with your dirive, why pa, why not md?

    is your school accredited? i am wondering because you said your sicences wil not tramsfer.

    the biology, a&p i and a&p ii, micro, finite math, intermediate math, and the 3 psychology classes and the other classes i took will all transfer to a major university as i attend a community college.

    the science courses mentioned above helps one to succed in nursing school and to understand the medical diagnosis. with that said, i fail to believe you enter the nursing program blind under the assumption that nurses would end up being a biologist, chemistry, and certainly not a physician?

    why not complete your nursing studies and build upon your final goal.

    i really feel you get bored easily when you understand the subject at hand and do not have to struggle with it.

    why do i say this, i remember your psychology thread.

    i do wish you all the best in your endeavors and do believe whatever you so choose, you will do fine.
  11. by   Love-A-Nurse
    sorry peeps, i believe you said you didn't see the need for psychology as a pre-req for nursing school, not that you did not understand the subject./?
  12. by   Lausana
    Alright Peeps...are their uniforms cooler or what?

    I think the nursing profession will lose a wonderful nurse to be if you do pursue the PA route...but you need to feed your interests wherever is best for you...heck, I think you'd make a good doc :uhoh21: you've got a good amount of "nurse" in you
  13. by   Agnus
    Peeps,
    Good luck in your chosen field. Nursing is not for everyone. There is no field that is for everyone. I thank God for the difference. If everyone wanted the same thing in a career this world would be in trouble as only one thing would get done.
    We will be here for you.

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