For students that are undecided between RN/PA - page 3

I wanted to let anyone that is considering PA vs NP or RN know that I have experienced a semester of nursing classes, and found that the curicculum did not match my expectations nor seem appropriate... Read More

  1. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    Hey,
    Anybody know of a state where NPs are independent?
  2. by   DIPLOMATICRN4HIRE
    Thank You
    You have just proved my point in so many ways You have no idea
    Its Mandated per state as I stated above and so did the article.
    Zoe
  3. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    From Zoe
    The accrediation is when you sit for the boards one cannot practice unless one has passed the boards and recieved a PAC
    No, I mean like the nursing schools are accredited by the NLN........that sort of thing.

    The above scopes of practice for NPs are not independent of a physician. The physician is apparently involved, so what the heck do you mean?
  4. by   DIPLOMATICRN4HIRE
    Yes we all Know Nursing Boards are accredeted. We are discussing Physican Assistants..... They need to sit before an certification board.ie: to be Certified, not licensed.
    Its like this
    If this is what You feel you need to do in life then so be it....
    Its apparent that you are looking for nothing more than a confrontation so that you can justify in some way why it is that you see how Nursing is your bag. Thats fine , thats cool and thats your options.... But before you start tossing things off about Nursing that its evident that you dont Understand. I have provided you with information, sites, and aspects pros' and cons' of either.
    Sorry to say but I have grown tired of this matter...
    Zoe
  5. by   kcsun3
    Here you go, Peeps...

    From the American Academy of Family Physicians
    Ref: http://www.aafp.org/afp/20011015/policy.html

    Legal Status of Nurse Practitioners by State in 2000

    Without physician supervision or collaboration:
    Alaska, Ariz., Ark., Colo., D.C., Hawaii, Iowa, Me., Mich., Mont., N.D., N.H., N.J., N.M., Okla., Ore., R.I., Tex., Utah, Wash., W. Va., Wyo. NA

    With physician supervision:
    Calif., Fla., Ga., Ida., La., Mass., S.C., Wis. Ala., Miss., N.C., Pa., S.D., Va.

    With physician collaboration:
    Conn., Del., Ill., Ind., Kan., Ky., Ohio, Md., Minn., Mo., Neb., Nev., N.Y., Vt. Tenn.

    Nurse Practitioner Prescribing Status by State in 2000

    Prescribe independently, including controlled substances:
    Alaska, Ariz., D.C., Iowa, Me., Mont., N.H., N.M., Ore., Vt., Wash., Wis., Wy.

    Prescribe with physician collaboration, including controlled substances:
    Ark., Calif., Colo., Conn., Del., Fla., Ga., Hawaii, Idaho, Ill., Ind., Kan., Mass., Md., Mich., Minn., N.C., N.D., Neb., N.J., N.Y., Okla., Pa., R.I., S.C., S.D., Tenn., Utah, W. Va.

    Prescribe with physician collaboration, excluding controlled substances and/or with schedule limits:
    Ala, Ky., La., Mo., Miss., Nev., Ohio, Tex., Va.
  6. by   DIPLOMATICRN4HIRE
    I Applaude You so much KCSUN3.
    Thank you
    Zoe
  7. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    Zoe,
    I see where the confusion lies.

    BON are given authority by each state's legislature. BON do not accredit nursing schools. The National Leauge of Nurses approves (accredits),puts thier seal of approval on nursing schools as upholding standards of education.

    Certainly, PA programs have the same sort of thing.

    That's what I was referring to.

    I think you, and others, see me attacking nursing in some way. I just don't like the psychosocial foundation of it. I want to help others that think there is something dysfunctional with them, like they don't like people or something if they don't just love psychology and families and babies and wonder how thier home life is a contributing factor in the disease process.

    It's ok not to like it.

    We are not evil self-serving narccisists for feeling this way.


    Run........run to freedom!

    :chuckle
  8. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    Thanks KCsun,
    That shows (by that site anyway) that in a few states NPs are, or could be interpreted as being independent.

    The generaly broad statement that NPs work independent of the physician then, is not really the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. As we can all see, the states vary greatly in what NPs are allowed to do.
  9. by   EmeraldNYL
    Peeps, if you want to be a PA, then fine, go be a PA. But why the heck are you on a NURSING site trying to convince people that the psychosocial aspect of nursing is bunk? Truth is, there are advantages and disadvantages to being both a PA or NP. Personally, I feel that an NP is better and I think many other people on this site do as well because it is a NURSING site. It's fine to have your opinions but don't go trying to convince a bunch of NURSES that they should all be PAs instead of NPs, or that PAs are better in some way. Because obviously, most of us feel otherwise.
  10. by   fergus51
    So NPs need supervision in 14 states, and "collaboration" in 15 states, and are independant completely in the rest. Just goes to show you can never generalize about nursing in the US! Frankly, I would rather be an NP needing supervision in 14 states, than a PA who needs supervision in all 50. That said, some people will love being a PA and would never want to be an NP. Who cares? To each his own and I hope everyone finds the right fit for them.
  11. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    I'm not trying to change minds, I'm trying to open them.

    The rest of this post was off topic and I deleted it...........Sorry if you missed it.
    Last edit by Peeps Mcarthur on Jan 3, '03
  12. by   DIPLOMATICRN4HIRE
    You have been treated with the UPMOST Dignity and honesty one possibly could give. Questions that you asked were answered, requests made given. Other than someone coming to you and holding your hand and congradulating you for making an epiphany about your future, Everything has been answered. The pissing contest as you call it , well that was with me and fortunately Your dealing with a OR NURSE that has been known to hold her bladder for 10 hrs so I can stand my time and wait this one out.
    I imagine the underground movement in PMs has begun to put me on the "list". The fact that you are talking to me may implicate you as well. Even if you are disrespecting me in front of the others, I have been around long enough to know they don't like that you are posting to me at all.
    If paranoia set in about the "others" well then Im sorry for you but Im not seeing that either.
    The sacrasticness however yes is showing but Its due.
    Now if you would like some Cheese to go with your whine, and your sanctimonious attitude please feel free to drink.
    Just MY thoughts
    Zoe
  13. by   Peeps Mcarthur
    Zoe,

    I'm sure that psychosocial issues are very important to you.

    Edited for off topic content.......Not nearly as witty
    Last edit by Peeps Mcarthur on Jan 3, '03

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