Class, Race, and Social Issues - page 6
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Issues such as race and social class can rub peoples’ nerves the wrong way, especially if one uses poor wording or an inappropriate tone during discussion. For this reason, I will try to generate discourse regarding the... Read More
- 1Jan 21, '13 by MuslimRNThis is a great topic. I have experienced racism from some of my patients because I am Muslim.My patient told me flat out"get out my room I don't want no Muslim taking care of me."I was floored. It hurt me at first but I realized that it's not me it was them. I know that I am a great nurse so I kindly assigned the patient since I was the charge nurse that day. When she found that out she was upset. She didn't feel like I deserved the position because I cover and wear hijab.
- 5Jan 21, '13 by StephalumpI grew up a minority. I had no idea I was a minority, though.
My mother is of European descent (Welsh and German) and my father is African-American. My mother was raised in a wealthy home and is college educated. My father has a very large, but poor family and drooped out of high school mHe took off when I was a baby, and my mother remarried a German fellow. They had kids together, leaving me to be the only dark skinned person in my family.
I went to private schools where there was usually only one other AA in my grade level. Our churches were primarily Caucasian, and our upper middle class neighborhoods weren't very colorful, either. The result has been that, color-wise, I'm very comfortable in my skin, and I was always comfortable around all kinds of people.
It never even occurred to me that people thought negatively of me because of my skin color until I started high school at a public school. Kids segregated themselves and for the first time ever I was forced to choose. I wasn't accepted by some people because of my skin color, and by others because I acted too "white" (whatever that means.). It was an absolute shock, and it sent me running back to private school.
Now that I'm older, none of those things matter to me. I was raised how my mother chose to raise me and I am who I am. I'm grateful to have the education I've had and the start in life I was given. I was gifted with expectations from the adults around me that I would succeed in life and live comfortably, and it was never even hinted to me that I might be at a detriment due to my race. And maybe even more importantly, my family had the financial resources to make those expectations a reality.
As an aside, I went to a very expensive private university after graduation, and I did TERRIBLY in high school. Why was I accepted? Because my mother, cousins, and uncles attended that same university. Had I come from a lower SES family, there's no way I would've gotten the education I did. Because I didn't earn it.Last edit by Stephalump on Jan 21, '13
- 0Jan 21, '13 by KdreneeQuote from Jean Marie46514When I said these people, I meant the nurse who approached me and asked me if I liked my job, and the PCA who made the "white people are so stupid comment." I couldn't understand why they (the two of them) were acting that way. Although, after that happened, all of the PCAs treated me differently.Fascinating thread, took courage to approach this topic.
In reply #8, the post (although, overall, a kinda sweet post)
this remark jumped out at me, and it doesn't appear anyone has mentioned this remark:
//"She was usually very helpful and taught me a lot, but not this day. She didn't let me do anything, and barely even said a word to me. She finally let me take someones BP and as I was taking it she pushed me out of the way and mumbled under her breath "white people are so stupid." I was dumbfounded, and I am sure the look on my face was priceless. I just could not understand why these people acted the way they were."//
Here, the author seems to taking one (1) person's remark, and extrapolating that one(1) person into "them", as if "they" were all the same, all shared that one (1) person's views, since they were all the same race. Almost always a mistake to do that.
- 3Jan 21, '13 by PRICHARILLAisMISSEDQuote from MuslimRNThis is the kind of thing that really bothers me. This.This is a great topic. I have experienced racism from some of my patients because I am Muslim.My patient told me flat out"get out my room I don't want no Muslim taking care of me."I was floored. It hurt me at first but I realized that it's not me it was them. I know that I am a great nurse so I kindly assigned the patient since I was the charge nurse that day. When she found that out she was upset. She didn't feel like I deserved the position because I cover and wear hijab.
It upsets me that that pt even got his way. I know that the law says pts can refuse treatment from whoever they want and all that, but If we as a country are shooting for equality, then this should not be allowed. Period. I know that will never happen, I'm not an idiot. But the law is part of the problem. And a big part at that.
I personally think that if a pt doesn't want anyone working with them due to the others persons religion, race or anything else along those lines that's their business. But I also believe that at that point the hospital should simply direct them to another treatment center at that point. And I know they can't do that. I'm just saying they should be able to do that.
- 0Quote from PRICHARILLAisMISSEDHello again. That was my post... Here it is;
[ I know what you mean, jadelpn. I was the only white guy in both my Junior HS and my HS. And let me tell you, the other students never let me forget it, either. Not trying to start any crazy debate where moderators take action or anything but honestly, the most racist and hateful people I've ever met were minorities. At school it got to the point that to make the "White boy and Vanilla Ice" comments stop I had to put hands on people and hurt them a bit.
Much of the general public thinks that only White people can be racist, and forget that that just isn't the case. BTW, my daughters are also half Black (same mother). One of them looks straight Black (her mom still hasn't forgiven me for getting DNA tests on her, but I'm nobodies fool.) and people have a hard time believing she's mine lol. ]
I don't see where I stated anywhere in that post that people within my own race discriminated against me. I don't even see how it could have even had a glancing chance of conveying that. BTW I did not excerpt it when I re-posted it above for your convenience. This is the post exactly as it was typed. I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but this is what I'm talking about when I say sometimes minorities see racial triggers that aren't actually there.
Oh, and to comment on the last sentence of your post above, I have experienced racism for all of my pre military life. I've lost count of the fist fights I've had in school over my race. I literally lost count but it was always more than 1 a week. Always. And outside of school I can recall like yesterday when I was 14 (yes, 14 years old, this in not a typo), I was at Fulton mall with my girl at the time who was Black (fulton Mall is more like a market. It is several streets full of all kinds of stores back in Brooklyn), and some guy was doing his corner "Blame the White man" thing. The guy saw me and my girl, stopped saying what he was saying and started shouting to her how I'm poisoning her. I got into an argument with him (obviously he embarrassed me with those comments) and was about to fight him. Now keep in mind that I was small for a 14 year old. Also keep in mind that this was a grown man who was about 6 ft or so, and frankly he had an impressive build. This guy's shape was in the ballpark of how mine is now, and I've been training since I was 13 years old as a fighter. Also keep in mind that he had 2 other guys with him that got in it as soon as the first punch was thrown. If I didn't have my box cutter on me I honestly believe they would have beaten me to death. Not to say I didn't get my *** kicked be fore I started cutting them. They ran when they heard the sirens, All the box cutter did was get me some distance to hold out until the police came. And of course me and my girl ran too.
While I admit that the things I went through were likely not anywhere near as bad as what your generation went through, I'm sure my understanding does qualify as more than just scratching the surface.
//"I don't see where I stated anywhere in that post that people within my own race discriminated against me."//
my point exactly!!!!!!!!!!!
You missed the whole point i was making,
in reply #39.------------that because you had not experienced being discriminated by your own race,
you concluded, "must be some other race is most racist" since you had not experienced racism from your own race.
maybe, if you reread reply #39 over, maybe you'd see why i think your conclusion was so flawed.
You want to lump an entire group together, as "most racist"
based on THAT was the group that reacted negatively to YOU.
BUT, don't you see, the flaw in your logic there??
for real, you don't spot this?
do you realize,
if you belonged to race "X"
and were amongst race "X"
it's unlikely, that others in ract "X" would be racist to YOU?
(NOT impossible, there are instances where one race,
can be racist
to others of their own race, but, it's way less common)
if your were a member of race "Z"
and are among members of race "X"
that how you are received, how you are treated,
and your whole perception of race "X", of which you are NOT a member,
might be entirely different?
that point is lost on you?
and that is not even including differences you might notice, depending, on
the interests rates you are charged, the real estate you are shown, the chances of your being convicted to death, the ^chance of your being pulled over, ^chance of arrested, increased ^ of being convicted, and dramatically ^length of sentence you receive, the increased chances of being given death penalty, tons of dramatic differences
Very Dramatic stats
in how some races are treated....but, we are just talking hypothetically about if you were a member of race "X" or not....sorry for derail.
oh, nevermind, i kinda doubt you can understand the points i already made in reply#39. I kinda doubt,
even if you went back to reread it again,
you'd "get it", so nevermind.
Btw, i do not think racism and ignorance have to be separate things, i think the two things are often, if not usually,
found together in a human....yeap. Ignorance is pretty rampant, imo.Last edit by somenurse on Jan 22, '13 : Reason: added many other lines
- 0//"but this is what I'm talking about when I say sometimes minorities see racial triggers that aren't actually there."//
and, Sometimes, negative and racial triggers are denied, or oddly "re-labelled", when it is racism.
Some people do not have the cognitive ability to properly interpret or decipher racism, when it is right in front of them.
Some people like to tell themselves, it is somehow possible in the USA to grow up and never ever be exposed to
other races, (not at all)
or any info
which could present an example which does break the stereotype one was taught....but, -------like i explain in reply #36------------it's hard to imagine where this american would live.
Much, (not all) but much of the world, would be hard pressed to fit into your efforts, Pricharilla,
to relabel racists as people who have never
ever even been exposed to any other example that breaks their stereotype.
But, it's true, there are humans who do live in isolation away from any possible sources of stereotype-breaking info...but, i doubt you've ever even met any of these isolated humans.
//"Please don't imply again that I can't possibly know anything about racism, ma'am."//
*I* never said any such thing, IF this is a remark directed to ME. That's a strawman reply.
You keep banging on about minorities can have racism.
I am trying to explain, my own ability to have more understanding, of those who HAVE been victims of oppression having reactionary racism,
and comparing that, to racists who have NOT been victims of oppression,
To me, the one type of reactionary racism,
is easier for me to understand
the oppressed person's struggle. The second half of the post you quoted, was not about whether or not you are oppressed, Pricharilla, at all,
but about your remarks that even minorities can be racist (AS IF that is news? as if there are grown ups who actually do think that only one race can have racists in it??)
I was discussing how i am more able to understand a victim of oppression having to struggle to work to try to Not to lump all of a race as all just the same. I personally, am more able to understand THAT struggle.Last edit by somenurse on Jan 22, '13 : Reason: added several lines.
- 0sorry about my penquin, can't figure out how to delete it. I meant to click on this animated rofl icon that i have stored in my computer, to add to my post,
and instead, uploaded the penguin one. It's cute lil thing, but, it was accident, i'd remove it, if i could figure out how.....
- 1Jan 23, '13 by PRICHARILLAisMISSEDQuote from Jean Marie46514Hi Ma'amjust curious Pricharilla,
are you in nursing school? or want to go to nursing school?
or, are you a nurse, Pricharilla?
Yes, I'm a student. I decided on a career change, and I'm hoping to become an RN within the next 18 months. I've decided to just give up on my profession as an HVAC tech to take extra classes and finish earlier.Last edit by PRICHARILLAisMISSED on Jan 23, '13