Class, Race, and Social Issues - page 6

Issues such as race and social class can rub peoples' nerves the wrong way, especially if one uses poor wording or an inappropriate tone during discussion. For this reason, I will try to generate... Read More

  1. Visit  IcySageNurse profile page
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    Of course social class plays the bigger role. Most places of employment, and almost all colleges, practice affirmative action. This practice allows certain races, such as African Americans and Latinos, to have a slight boost in the admission process to ensure they have enough of them to have a diverse freshman class.

    Despite this advantage, AAs and latinos still have lower college attendance rates than whites or asians, which many people falsely attribute to race. It's not the race - it's the socioeconomic status. The variable that confuses people is that african americans and latinos are unfortunately more likely to be lower income. It's unfortunate, and there is definitely some racism still at play in certain positions, but socioeconomic status is definitely a bigger predictor.
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  2. Visit  somenurse profile page
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    To Pricharilla,
    YOUdescribe several events in this thread,
    where you felt you were a victim of discrimination(because some black person called you names)
    and conclude
    that "blacks are most racist, cuz the person who was racist to ME belonged to that group"
    and those in your own ethnic group, have not been racist to YOU....

    .............apparently unaware of the obvious flaw in your logic there, that i've tried a few times to help you understand, but, near as i can tell, you still don't get why that is a very questionable way to make a conclusion.




    and
    you state,
    amazingly,
    that the only discrimination you know of, towards blacks, was FROM other blacks, (an amazing statement, really---says a LOT about your knowledge base on this topic)
    and
    you accuse ME of making conclusions based too much on my own experience? really? *I'M* the one doing that, eh?

    oh my.
    but, i will agree with one remark, that you and i will probably never see eye to eye on this topic.
    Last edit by somenurse on Jan 27, '13
  3. Visit  IcySageNurse profile page
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    ^I see both of your points. Racism definitely works both ways.

    To claim there is more racism from whites toward blacks today, despite history, is simply wrong. The difference is that when black people act racist no one says anything about it - people are only angry when WHITE people are racist. There are plenty of examples of blacks being more racists than whites - look at the 2008 Democratic Primary, when Obama won millions of votes from whites, yet Hillary got 1-2% of the black vote. No one called that racist...yet if Obama had only received 1-2% of the white vote, everyone would cry racism. In fact, they still cried racism at the fact that EVERY SINGLE white person didn't vote for him.

    Look at the FBI hate crime statistics by race (http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/u...-Race-2009.jpg) . It's quite eye opening... you can see of the 3,518 whites murdered in 2009, 12.9% were murdered by blacks. Of the 2,867 blacks murdered, 7% were murdered by whites. In other words, it's almost twice as likely for a white person to be murdered by a black person than vice versa. Black on white racism is VERY present in our society - it simply doesn't draw the same liberal rage as white on black racism.

    Bottom line - all races have racist people.
    Last edit by IcySageNurse on Jan 27, '13
  4. Visit  somenurse profile page
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    Quote from IcySageNurse
    ^I see both of your points. Racism definitely works both ways.

    To claim there is more racism from whites toward blacks today, despite history, is simply wrong. The difference is that when black people act racist no one says anything about it - people are only angry when WHITE people are racist. There are plenty of examples of blacks being more racists than whites - look at the 2008 Democratic Primary, when Obama won millions of votes from whites, yet Hillary got 1-2% of the black vote. No one called that racist...yet if Obama had only received 1-2% of the white vote, everyone would cry racism. In fact, they still cried racism at the fact that EVERY SINGLE white person didn't vote for him.

    Look at the FBI hate crime statistics by race (http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/u...-Race-2009.jpg) . It's quite eye opening... you can see of the 3,518 whites murdered in 2009, 12.9% were murdered by blacks. Of the 2,867 blacks murdered, 7% were murdered by whites. In other words, it's almost twice as likely for a white person to be murdered by a black person than vice versa. Black on white racism is VERY present in our society - it simply doesn't draw the same liberal rage as white on black racism.

    Bottom line - all races have racist people.
    You are linking to The Blaze?oop: A rightwing "news"(?) site??? oh my, might as well link us to Glenn Beck's blog for "facts".Many rightwingers are fear-driven, and many sites like The Blaze do all they can to subtly(or blalantly) skew "news" (or even lie) to keep fear going, fear= it's their "fuel".

    But, if you would remove or factor in,
    the socioeconomic status,
    of crimes done,
    the results would be dramatically different. It's easy enough to find tons of research, which will back up any claim that violent crime is far more prevalent in poverty stricken areas. I'll link one if you doubt it.

    Poverty and crime always go together, always,
    throughout history,
    in every nation.

    I am not entirely certain, that crime, and racism/oppression, are the exact same thing. I honestly think, one white person can kill another white person, without how they feel about the victim being white being a factor. Not all murders are "racism". And true, most murders are done by someone of your own race, whether you are white, or black, or asian, or latino, or whatever.
    Most murder victims are murdered by those in their same race.


    and, no one (except Pricharilla, off and on,) has made claim only one group is racist, so, i surely can't defend what i never ever said. I have said, a few times on this thread, that a racist can belong to any racial group, a few times,
    but, Pricharilla seems to suggest only blacks are racist, a remark i find amazing. She's made several remarks i find amazing, actually, but, reposting allllll those remarks,
    and why i find the logic used so lacking,
    won't be helpful.

    I agree, all groups cna have racist people. I myself have more ability to understand an individual who HAS been oppressed, end up struggling to deal with a racist feeling
    as a result of actually having been oppressed,------------THAT'S more easy for me to undertand,
    as i explained in reply #39,............ but not everyone shares that understanding, of the difference between someone who HAS BEEN oppressed having trouble trusting another race, compared to someone who hasn't been oppressed because of their race.

    Also, the ability of one group being able to actually oppress a group, might be whole other interesting derail to have, too. I support the right of any whacko to hold his own brain whatever stereotypes he wants to hold,
    but,
    if the whacko is in charge of the interest rates you pay, the chance of your being pulled over after doing nothing wrong, the chance of your being arrested/convicted/sentenced to death, the chance of you getting hired, promoted, etc etc,
    that's what most of us who are against racism worry about.

    but, there ARE some people who seem to still think, it's an even playing field now for all races,
    and seem to not spot a difference
    between having an inner bad attitude
    and
    being able to oppress the person.
    Last edit by somenurse on Jan 27, '13
  5. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from Jean Marie46514

    You are linking to The Blaze?oop: A rightwing "news"(?) site??? oh my, might as well link us to Glenn Beck's blog for "facts".Many rightwingers are fear-driven, and many sites like The Blaze do all they can to subtly(or blalantly) skew "news" (or even lie) to keep fear going, fear= it's their "fuel".

    But, if you would remove or factor in,
    the socioeconomic status,
    of crimes done,
    the results would be dramatically different. It's easy enough to find tons of research, which will back up any claim that violent crime is far more prevalent in poverty stricken areas. I'll link one if you doubt it.

    Poverty and crime always go together, always,
    throughout history,
    in every nation.
    I am not entirely certain, that crime, and racism/oppression, are the exact same thing. I honestly think, one white person can kill another white person, without how they feel about the victim being white being a factor. Not all murders are "racism". And true, most murders are done by someone of your own race, whether you are white, or black, or asian, or latino, or whatever.
    Most murder victims are murdered by those in their same race.

    and, no one (except Pricharilla, off and on,) has made claim only one group is racist, so, i surely can't defend what i never ever said. I have said, a few times on this thread, that a racist can belong to any racial group, a few times,
    but, Pricharilla seems to suggest only blacks are racist, a remark i find amazing. She's made several remarks i find amazing, actually, but, reposting allllll those remarks,
    and why i find the logic used so lacking,
    won't be helpful.

    I agree, all groups cna have racist people. I myself have more ability to understand an individual who HAS been oppressed, end up struggling to deal with a racist feeling
    as a result of actually having been oppressed,------------THAT'S more easy for me to undertand,
    as i explained in reply #39,............ but not everyone shares that understanding, of the difference between someone who HAS BEEN oppressed having trouble trusting another race, compared to someone who hasn't been oppressed because of their race.

    Also, the ability of one group being able to actually oppress a group, might be whole other interesting derail to have, too. I support the right of any whacko to hold his own brain whatever stereotypes he wants to hold,
    but,
    if the whacko is in charge of the interest rates you pay, the chance of your being pulled over after doing nothing wrong, the chance of your being arrested/convicted/sentenced to death, the chance of you getting hired, promoted, etc etc,
    that's what most of us who are against racism worry about.

    but, there ARE some people who seem to still think, it's an even playing field now for all races,
    and seem to not spot a difference
    between having an inner bad attitude
    and
    being able to oppress the person.
    I have decided to return to this thread...I have been sitting on the sidelines.

    Jean Marie, This post is pretty spot on and logical.

    This issue can stir emotions. Pricharrilla, this has certainly stirred your emotions.

    I hope you can both clarify for me-just curious because we all can't be seen on AN...Pricharrilla, you are a white male, correct??? And I didn't get the sense Jean Marie is AA...but if you are I apologize, it's just Pricharrilla alludes to you as AA, yet I didn't see it in the posts. I know Pricharrilla has alluded his race in the posts.

    As a AA, I can see the narrowed view that you have Pricharrilla because of the negative experiences that you had, however, how you describe it as reactionary racism on the pursuer's part...I got that when you had the fight the individual who thought you were "poisoning" you're girlfriend's mind...but on the other hand, people who live, support and are around AA have been viewed by some whites, especially historically in the south as "n" lovers, so at that point, could it be surmised as the same type of racism?

    And IcySage, those stats are truly off base...please refer to a more thorough database, such as the DOJ, Southern Poverty law center and even the CDC, even academic based databases, and real time data can blow that out of the water. Jean Marie has addressed your view point...socioeconomic pathology of generation of poverty against minorities couldn't have possibly happened if there wasn't a "majority" rule that had introduced "redlining" to ensure how certain populations stayed in particular area...and this wasn't happening only in the South...this has happened in cities, suburbs, and rural towns for generations, businesses don't invest in these "redlined" areas, driving the price down, the crime up and the attitude that these "animals" can do "us" all a favor for population control...when that happens, the almighty gentrification rule sprouts out to ensue control...trying to do the trick...and don't get me wrong, redlining has displaced socioeconomic defunct individuals of all races and cultures, and I have had conversations in how people regardless of race refer to poverty stricken people as "animals"...however, there's too strong of a TREND of the poverty gap and the risks of going straight to poverty to minorities...when there are no banks (that don't come to a community to announce they plan to oust you to make it more "attractive" or give out risky loans to get seize property for twisted profit), grocery stores, and adequate community centers or access to universities to gain proper knowledge for a "even playing field," do you think they are going to be in constant survival mode, or that this is an adequately thriving community, with a straight face. I think people will beg to differ who live in deprived neighborhoods who would hunk their depressed community is "thriving" without these adequate resources. In my city, they just opened up a supermarket in a neighborhood section that hasn't had one in 40 YEARS...you can ask them their viewpoint about class, race, etc...and this is a redlined bright hood with ranges of poverty to working class upwardly mobile people who can't move in a "better"neighborhood., because the homes are going from 500,000 and up...rent is 1500-2000 dollars, no mortgage considerations, or rent to own, no options for those "commoners" to be considered, to live in a neighborhood that is safe, clean, family and culturally friendly...those neighborhoods are known to have a glass wall around them. Some love their neighborhood and want "a level playing field"...ALL the opportunities that a "well off" neighborhood has, without moving. Is that "right" or "racist"??? Ask the people in a community that I speak of...research and survey them.
  6. Visit  PRICHARILLAisMISSED profile page
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    Quote from Jean Marie46514
    To Pricharilla,
    YOUdescribe several events in this thread,
    where you felt you were a victim of discrimination(because some black person called you names)
    and conclude
    that "blacks are most racist, cuz the person who was racist to ME belonged to that group"
    and those in your own ethnic group, have not been racist to YOU....

    .............apparently unaware of the obvious flaw in your logic there, that i've tried a few times to help you understand, but, near as i can tell, you still don't get why that is a very questionable way to make a conclusion.




    and
    you state,
    amazingly,
    that the only discrimination you know of, towards blacks, was FROM other blacks, (an amazing statement, really---says a LOT about your knowledge base on this topic)
    and
    you accuse ME of making conclusions based too much on my own experience? really? *I'M* the one doing that, eh?

    oh my.
    but, i will agree with one remark, that you and i will probably never see eye to eye on this topic.
    Ma'am, do you even read my replies to you? Or do you just scan them for catch phrases to attack without reading the entire sentence you found them in? Everything, and I mean everything that you've addressed in any of your replies to a post of mine have been answered and re-answered in follow up replies by myself. Yet in this new posts-and in your reply to icysagenurse that you mention me in-you are constantly repeating yourself. I can understand and accept if you feel my explanations are just inadequate or unacceptable and don't agree with them. I'll be ok with that. But it's apparent that you are either a) reading and ignoring them or b) not reading them at all. It has to be one of the 2, as you keep repeating yourself over and over. No rebuttals, just repeats.

    To be fair it may be my fault. I'm new to forums-I prefer to speak rather than type -so perhaps you are skipping over my replies because they are mixed within your own quotes and you thought those words in the quote box were yours in their entirety. To clarify, the non bolded portions of your quotes that I use in my replies are your words, and the bolded paragraphs following the non bolded are my replies to your words above. I've seen others do this so I followed suit-I don't know how to break long posts up into multiple quotes on the same post on AN. If this was the problem I apologize. If you are so inclined Ma'am, perhaps you should reread both of our previous posts in order now that you are armed with this information. It should shed light on things.

    Also, in your response to icysagenurse you referred to me as a "she." This lends credence to my theory that you likely skipped over much of what I was trying to say.
    Last edit by PRICHARILLAisMISSED on Jan 27, '13
  7. Visit  serenitylove14 profile page
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    Gosh I can relate to almost everyone of these post!

    I am a Black Female and just graduated from Nursing School as well. I get the same shocked face when I apply for jobs as a nurse, also even bigger shocker a Bachelors Prepared Nurse. In school I was one of 3 black girls and everyone treated me like I was one of the slowest individuals in the class. Maybe it was my nonchalant attitude and nonworrying that everyone thought I must be the person getting the barely passing grades, but I am sure it was more. It wasnt until my last semester that everyone was talking about paying off student loans that I told them I was on scholarship and had NO LOANS TO PAY OFF. The response was like "Wow I didnt know you were smart?" Hmmm. Why is that?

    Also racism in the workplace is definately there! But I seemed to get more racism from the Black Nurses than the white nurses. It was like the whole nurses eat their young mentality, but I think it had to do with the fact that another black woman was getting to their level. Idk but this article is an eye opener to people who think racism doesnt exist. I have had patients say some really racist things to me, although I found them REALLY FUNNY! I am not the uptight black girl everyone thinks that I should be. When I am asked about my hair, clothes, skin, speech, education, etc. I dont get upset because honestly people really ask these questions because they DO NOT KNOW. I decide to educate and make sure to mention to NEVER ask any other black person some the questions because they might not be as nice I am, lol.

    Thanks again for the awesome article!!

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