Bathing Classmates and Other Personal Boundaries? - page 15

by brownhairedgal

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I've read a few threads on this and honestly I am shocked. I was unaware that students had to practice anything on each other that was invasive or required them to wear any clothing besides scrubs or other professional attire.... Read More


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    Quote from nursenow
    "Someone" told you it happens? quakerkid, you seem sure it happens but where did you get your information and can you tell us the name of the school that does it? Why are you so sure it doesn't happen on men?
    I'm not sure if you are quoting me - I never said "someone" told me.

    I don't know what schools they went to, but I have indeed had colleagues who practiced GYN exams on each other. In fact, if you go back and read through the posting on this thread, there are multiple posters who attest to this fact...

    "I took a beginning midwifery course in which we had to do pelvic exams on each other. We were all nervous about it but once it happened it was not that bad I am glad it happened."

    I accept that maybe this was happening in the past, and no longer happens - and I have no data to suggest that testicular exams were never done on classmates - its just my gestalt.

    So I could definitely be wrong. But even if you approach this from the standpoint that these exams are no longer happening, at one point they certainly were. The paucity of posts regarding male-classmate exams suggests that those types of exams are even more rare, if they occur at all.

    So in that context, are there greater forces at work, such as sexism/patriarchy?
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    quakerkid;4114932]I'm not sure if you are quoting me - I never said "someone" told me.

    I don't know what schools they went to, but I have indeed had colleagues who practiced GYN exams on each other. In fact, if you go back and read through the posting on this thread, there are multiple posters who attest to this fact...

    "I took a beginning midwifery course in which we had to do pelvic exams on each other. We were all nervous about it but once it happened it was not that bad I am glad it happened."


    I accept that maybe this was happening in the past, and no longer happens - and I have no data to suggest that testicular exams were never done on classmates - its just my gestalt.

    So I could definitely be wrong. But even if you approach this from the standpoint that these exams are no longer happening, at one point they certainly were. The paucity of posts regarding male-classmate exams suggests that those types of exams are even more rare, if they occur at all.

    So in that context, are there greater forces at work, such as sexism/patriarchy?
    That was the only firsthand account of this happening, and it was in a midwifery course, not a nursing course. I'd love to hear from your colleagues - if this actually happened in a standard accredited nursing course. Multiple posters who are older attest to the fact that in never happened.

    Perhaps the paucity of posts by male nurses is related to the paucity of male nurses old enough to offer credible experience with something like that? 40 years ago a male nursing student was uncommon. Your argument about patriarchy and sexism isn't without merit, but the scenario you are suggesting isn't accurate. As a matter of fact, public awareness about male testicular exams is fairly recent.

    I agree about something that is related to what you are saying, and that is the culture of nursing heavily reflects typical "female" values. I'm not gonna set myself up to be royally flamed by saying anything more about that, but if you imagine what some of these skills lab experiences would be like if 95% of students were male instead of female, it would be vastly different. In that sense there is institutionalized sexism, yes.
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    A very fair assessment. I agree with you that it may not have been a fair question in the first place, but that perhaps we can reflect upon it as a greater whole.
    Thank you.
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    I didn't read all 15 pages, so if this has been stated I'm sorry for wasting your time.
    First, it's a shared experience that helps to make your class more cohesive ... it's teambuilding.
    Second, you are going to need to trust these classmates for the next 2 years. You will be working together in close quarters doing tasks by the end there will be few surprises.
    Third, during these 2 years you will have to do "dry baths", blood pressures, temperatures and assessments, breast exam teaching with each other, some places you start IVs and give injections to each other. This will allow you (or others who need it) to be more comfortable and competant doing these tasks in a real clinical setting.

    It wouldn't be nice to give someone's grandmother a UTI because suddenly it was forgotten to go front to back, or an infection is spread to another site(s) because the water & wash clothes didn't changed. It may seem foolish, but there are reasons for doing these things. Have you ever thought about washing another adult and your hand position, what if the person is too weak and you have to hold them while you wash?
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    Quote from quakerkid
    A very fair assessment. I agree with you that it may not have been a fair question in the first place, but that perhaps we can reflect upon it as a greater whole.
    Thank you.
    I hope so. The questioning of the status quo brought on by a greater diversity of people coming into the profession is a good thing, I think. I disagree with the "sit down and shut up" old school mentality given to students. Sometimes newcomers honestly point the profession in a new direction, if it's respectfully done.

    Just another (unrelated) area is technology advances. Students complain that their instructors insist they shlep to the library to watch a film strip on x or y, with scheduling time in a resource room, driving, etc etc. to do something you could watch on youtube in 10 minutes. "Just because that's the way we do it" attitude of some instructors doesn't solve anything IMO.
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    My God. You expect your patients to suck it up and accept every humiliating and undignified thing you want to do to them but you refuse to allow anything to be done to you? Why won't you try putting yourselves into their shoes? Why are you too good or too important to experience what they do? It's the only way you could ever understand what they're thinking when you have your hands all over their naked bodies.

    Why can't you just suck it up and do it, cowards? No more "holier than thou" attitudes. No more considering yourselves better than normal humans.
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    Closed for staff review


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