ADN vs BSN My daughter and I having a heated Discussion! - page 7
My daughter has taken, with the exception of A&P I&2, her prereqs. She is taking both this summer. She will be eligible to enter the ADN program this fall. I am so excited about her getting her... Read More
Jan 20, '05Cheerfull, how did you get the cute avatar? I've tried copy and paste and can't get it to work.
Jan 20, '05If she want's to furthur her education she needs to go to BSN program. Let her take out loans, etc if you can't afford it. Also if she has to foot the bill you will definitly find out how serious she is. Good luck
Jan 20, '05As a graduate of a 4 year liberal arts college-based BSN program, I think that going for the BSN right off makes sense for a "traditional" college student. Maybe she might be willing to take responsibility for the additional expense by findingand working for a hospital as a student tech (thus also getting tuition reimbursement). Even if she has to take out a few loans to fund her "college experience," having all of her education out of the way might free her up later in life.
I think that ADN programs are economical and provide a good solid clinical base. I would never discourage someone from persuing their RN through an ADN program. These programs are especially ideal for adult students. But even for younger students they provide a quick start to a good income.
What I liked about going to a four year college ( I was blessed with good scholarships), was that I was able to persue some other academic interests besides nursing. I took elective courses in history, Christian ministry, and music. My social group were students from a variety of majors including accounting, music education, and history pre-law (my now husband). Living on campus and having to get along with roommates, etc. had many other good lessons for me too. What I did not like was all of the "fluff" that you get in a BSN program. But I would have had to put up with the "fluff" sooner or later to go back for the BSN.
I hope you and your daughter can figure out what is best for her and her circumstances. Either way I'm sure she will do just fine.
Jan 20, '05Obviously money is an issue for us, and I do not want her to go into debt. \
I dont know if you ever watch the Suzy Orman show on MSNBC. But she is a firm believer that education is good debt and I agree.
Jan 20, '05Well all I can say is around here...we have three major hospitals and about 4-5 nursing colleges in the immediate area. What I noticed is that...and please do not take this the wrong way (other readers)...hospitals and nurses seem to really like the ADN graduates better because they are able NOW to work on the floor~ clinically better prepared for the real world!! Just a thought!
Jan 20, '05Another bit of advice although I doubt you will take it.. Don't get so caught up in "teaching lessons." You seem to keep posting how you want her to learn this lesson or the value of this or that.. Just be a parent and take it day by day. If you get caught up in teaching lessons, I garauntee you are going to LOSE her. I am sure she is not interested in life's lessons at 17 years old.. I certainly wasnt...
She thrives on giving me lectures. My sister was telling me this morning that Mom worries about me and she senses fear in her voice. I'm 27, for goodness sake. Little wonder that Mom has passed her worrywart tendencies to me. Now I'm terrified of making any changes in my life because if she disapproves or gets a bad feeling about it, that MUST mean I'm making a mistake...right? My relationship with her has taught me this lesson: She does not need to know EVERYTHING about my comings and goings. In fact, this results in more lectures for me and more worries for her. Then I'm second-guessing myself once again.
Jan 20, '05I had a BS degree and still opted to do the ADN first because I felt it was a better program and also had more clinical time. I went back a year later for my BSN at another college and had very little trouble since I was familiar with the routine. I am now finishing my MSN. I think if she wants to be a nurse it doesn't really matter what avenue she takes, because she has to do what she believes is best for her. Speaking as a veteran parent, if you really can't afford for her to do the BSN, encourage her to do it and tell her that your program would probably be too tough for her...she'll be in your program the next week!
Jan 20, '05Yes, it is her life and ultimately her decision. Having said that, I am an ADN student and chose that path for myself due to economic reasons and because it is faster knowing that I will go back for my BSN later, but will be making more money and doing something that I enjoy in the mean time. If you can't stress the financial issue to her enough to get her to see your point of view, there is always financial aid and other programs that can help you with the money part of the equation. But if she truly wants the BSN now instead of later, it is probably good to let her make that decision herself and support her in the mean time. Either way, if she is committed enough to follow through, the outcome will be the same. Take care. And remember your support for her will be the best thing you can do for her.
Jan 20, '05I have never heard a parent pushing a child to get less of an education (for whatever reason).
If there is any way to pull off more education..there are no drawbacks.
More is always better.
Jan 20, '05It's time for nurses (all nurses) to quit fighting as to what type of a degree or non-degree is best. This is what has made room for PA's and MA's in the medical field. We as nurses have to have a unified front. Mom I can empathize with you for your goals for your daughter and I can see your point as well as the points of many of the responses. The patient doesn't care what type of degree is taking care of them. I have worked with many APRN's - LPN's and if you are a true NURSE there is little difference in your care to the patient. The major difference is in knowing what to report to who. I have come up in the ranks from an Aide to LPN to ASN and am in the process of getting my MSN. Too many of us get NURSEitis and get caught in the trap of what type of educational background we come from instead of what kind of care we deliver.
Mom take heart, and be there for your daughter. Remember that she will be your daughter for the rest of her life, but a student (hopefully) just for a few more years.
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My daughter has taken, with the exception of A&P I&2, her prereqs. She is taking both this summer. She will be eligible to enter the ADN program this fall. I am so excited about her getting her uniform, white shoes, stethescope, nursing care plan sheets, and clinically rotating this fall! She is contemplating going to a BSN program instead. The BSN program at the university is $455.00 per credit hr as opposed to $81.00 at the Jr college. Obviously money is an issue for us, and I do not want her to go into debt. I told her that it is best to take her NCLEX asap and not to put unnecessary time and info between that time. I also feel that she will get more nursing experience by doing it what I call the 2+1 way, which is the bridge program rather than the 3+0 way, not to mention that the hospital will probably pay for the bridged year. I do not like (4) yr colleges b/c I have never had as great an exp. at any of them as at the community colleges. I have gone to (4) diff (4) yr colleges, and (2) diff community colleges. I am currently enrolled in an ADN community college program and I love my instructors! She will be going to a different community college in a different state. I am very familiar with the community college that she will, God willin', go to this fall, b/c I graduated from there with an AS degree and she has taken all her prereqs except Micro there. We disagree every night about this decision b/c I do not feel that more general education classes will make her a better nurse, and it will cost her a year of work. She plans to meet with the (4) colleges and find out if she can enter with sophomore status. I have looked at some of the (4) yr curriculums and they are absurd. They require pathophysiology (4) cr, pharmacology (3) cr, foundations (5) cr, nutrition (3) cr, and sociology (3) cr this is a ttl of (18) cr which is inhumane, as opposed to (8) cr at the Jr college. I really feel that (18) cr is a recipe for failure. She tells me that she wants to be challenged, live on campus, she is convinced that she can have a social life while going to , and has long range plans to go to med school. I tell her lets make small successes, and then progress to bigger ones.
Edited by Nurse Ratched: exciting update to original poster's story on post #75! Congrats to daughter! Adding this because I don't want folks new to the thread to miss it.
http://allnurses.com/forums/showpost...7&postcount=75Last edit by NRSKarenRN on Jan 20, '05
Jan 21, '05Quote from PTU2SLPYes, that was the real crux of the matter. I do remember those days. Well now she has a (4) yr scholarship so she can do whatever she wants to do. I am not going to encourage her to do something that she does not want to do. My brother is currently advising her to go into engineering??? I told her that I refuse to play "tug of war". This escalated into my brother promoting engineering, and my promoting nursing. I told her "this is my stop, this is where I get off"! All of her college credits thus far are the pre-requisites for nursing. She tells me that she now feels like she has wasted her time b/c she wants to be a medical doctor. Yes, I have told her that this requires at least (8) years of non-stop study. Yes, I told her that she can not do anything w/ a neuroscience degree. She will not be trained to work in the work-world w/ a neuroscience degree, and what if she has to/or choses to exit education at the bs neuroscience level, or before??? I am just going to focus on my studies, and I'll be here if she needs me.I had a BS degree and still opted to do the ADN first because I felt it was a better program and also had more clinical time. I went back a year later for my BSN at another college and had very little trouble since I was familiar with the routine. I am now finishing my MSN. I think if she wants to be a nurse it doesn't really matter what avenue she takes, because she has to do what she believes is best for her. Speaking as a veteran parent, if you really can't afford for her to do the BSN, encourage her to do it and tell her that your program would probably be too tough for her...she'll be in your program the next week!