ADN vs BSN My daughter and I having a heated Discussion! - page 4

My daughter has taken, with the exception of A&P I&2, her prereqs. She is taking both this summer. She will be eligible to enter the ADN program this fall. I am so excited about her getting her... Read More

  1. by   Thunderwolf
    I can only speak for myself. If I hadn't gone for my BSN first and gotten it over with, I would have never considered later going back for further college. I did it. I'm glad I did, especially at the age I am now. I really think not having it would have been a psychological barrier for me entertaining further college later in my life. Now, after going to grad school twice (MSEd, MSN), I'm beginning to consider going back for a Doctorate. Again, however, looking back, I may have never considered it if I hadn't gotten the BSN. But, I can only speak for myself. In this sense, I can relate to your daughter. If you are young, unmarried, and without kids...go for it if you can while the motivation and energy are there. Nursing has changed so much since I began 19 years ago. Your and her needs as students may be totally different because the amount of time you two will have left to offer your careers. Something to think about.
    Last edit by Thunderwolf on Jan 9, '05
  2. by   LPNtoBSNstudent
    Quote from rnmi2004
    If this truly is the major issue between you & your daughter right now, do you realize how fortunate you are? I hope you give her a big hug & thank her for being such a great kid.

    I totally agree. Many people are thrilled that their child wants to go to college at all.
  3. by   NOIRLINCOLN
    Quote from rnmi2004
    If this truly is the major issue between you & your daughter right now, do you realize how fortunate you are? I hope you give her a big hug & thank her for being such a great kid.
    She has been an excellent student and I give her lots of praise. I am grateful for her achievements. She is so self motivated she attends catholic church every Sunday alone b/c I live in a different state than she does. Yes, this is a great dilemma!
  4. by   Tweety
    Quote from NOIRLINCOLN
    She has been an excellent student and I give her lots of praise. I am grateful for her achievements. She is so self motivated she attends catholic church every Sunday alone b/c I live in a different state than she does. Yes, this is a great dilemma!

    Yep, you are fortunate to have such a self-motivated daughter. There are a lot of good practicle reasons why getting the ADN now is a good idea. Those are the same reasons many of us went for the ADN first.

    I know you only want the best for her good. Good luck. Let us know how it turns out.
  5. by   anc33
    Quote from NOIRLINCOLN
    My daughter has taken, with the exception of A&P I&2, her prereqs. She is taking both this summer. She will be eligible to enter the ADN program this fall. I am so excited about her getting her uniform, white shoes, stethescope, nursing care plan sheets, and clinically rotating this fall! She is contemplating going to a BSN program instead. The BSN program at the university is $455.00 per credit hr as opposed to $81.00 at the Jr college. Obviously money is an issue for us, and I do not want her to go into debt. I told her that it is best to take her NCLEX asap and not to put unnecessary time and info between that time. I also feel that she will get more nursing experience by doing it what I call the 2+1 way, which is the bridge program rather than the 3+0 way, not to mention that the hospital will probably pay for the bridged year. I do not like (4) yr colleges b/c I have never had as great an exp. at any of them as at the community colleges. I have gone to (4) diff (4) yr colleges, and (2) diff community colleges. I am currently enrolled in an ADN community college program and I love my instructors! She will be going to a different community college in a different state. I am very familiar with the community college that she will, God willin', go to this fall, b/c I graduated from there with an AS degree and she has taken all her prereqs except Micro there. We disagree every night about this decision b/c I do not feel that more general education classes will make her a better nurse, and it will cost her a year of work. She plans to meet with the (4) colleges and find out if she can enter with sophomore status. I have looked at some of the (4) yr curriculums and they are absurd. They require pathophysiology (4) cr, pharmacology (3) cr, foundations (5) cr, nutrition (3) cr, and sociology (3) cr this is a ttl of (18) cr which is inhumane, as opposed to (8) cr at the Jr college. I really feel that (18) cr is a recipe for failure. She tells me that she wants to be challenged, live on campus, she is convinced that she can have a social life while going to nursing school, and has long range plans to go to med school. I tell her lets make small successes, and then progress to bigger ones.
    After going over your OP again I have some additional questions/comments.

    It sounds to me like you might be more excited about the prospect of becoming a nurse than your daughter is. Don't push her to do something, especially nursing, that she is not 100% into. Nursing is a wonderful profession if you love it enough to look beyond all of the negatives that go along with the job. Beyond that, being a nurse first does not necessarily give one an advanage when applying to med schools. Med schools want students who took challenging courses at competitive universities. People are expect to take 15 credits of organic chem, physics, genetics, calc, etc all in the same semester. The approach you are reccomending might backfire in the long run if med school really is your daughter's goal. Plus, college is a wonderful place for a person to find themselves. I had the opportunity to take ancient greek, architecture, politics, criminal law, osteology along with various other courses. Believe it or not all of these have helped me become a better nurse! And, having that background shores up my committment to the nursing profession now. Talk to financial aid about scholarships (I got my first degree paid for in total and $20,000 for my BSN all for being a great student) and loans and let her follow her dream.
  6. by   NOIRLINCOLN
    We went to the (4) yr college today and spoke with the marketing person. I was not impressed. The marketing person told my daughter that inspite of the fact that she has most all of the freshman classes completed they can not offer her sophomore status. My daughter asked the marketing person what would she be doing with her time since she has already completed most all of the freshman coursework, and she was advised to take an EMT program or minor in something while she waits to get into the sophomore year. NOT!! I DON'T THINK SO!!! We peeped our heads into some classrooms, but did not really get to see much. We then went to the (2) yr college. We picked up information, and the (2) yr application came in the mail . We went to the bookstore and looked at nursing, anatomy, and lifespan books. Both of these schools share the same clinical sites. My daughter did not really seem impressed with either school. On Wed we will go talk to the counselor at the (2) yr college. The counselor has graduate degrees from the (4) yr college that my daughter is considering even though she works at the (2) yr college, so she will be able to offer a more balanced view. My daughter did say that she is pursuing scholarships, but if the scholarships are not adequate then there is no way she is going to go into debt for her RN.
  7. by   loriangel14
    Most of the opinions you state in your post seem to be yours and not your daughters. Has it ever occurred to you that this is her life and not yours? As far as I know going into debt to get your RN is quite common and if she is making decent money when she gets out she will be able to pay it off. Now is the time to do it when she is young and has no dependents. You don't mention how old your daughter is but you come accross as very controlling and unwilling to let your daughter make her own decisions. I think you should stop trying to run your daughters life.
  8. by   NOIRLINCOLN
    Quote from loriangel14
    Most of the opinions you state in your post seem to be yours and not your daughters. Has it ever occurred to you that this is her life and not yours? As far as I know going into debt to get your RN is quite common and if she is making decent money when she gets out she will be able to pay it off. Now is the time to do it when she is young and has no dependents. You don't mention how old your daughter is but you come accross as very controlling and unwilling to let your daughter make her own decisions. I think you should stop trying to run your daughters life.
    My daughter is (17) yrs she will be (18) yrs on the 18 Jan, in a few days. The whole beauty of the (2) yr ADN program is that she will not have to come out and owe. I have school loans, and trust me it is not a picnic! I am teaching my daughter the serious value of saving money while she is young, not spending and owing. My daughter will be graduated from high school with approx (30) credits, and she and I both intend for her to use this as a propellor not as a backstepper. Why you stated yourself 10/3/2004:


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    Hang in there! I am 38 and in my second year of my rpn. Part time nights. When my marriage broke up I ended up doing homecare and that rekindled my interest in nursing. I agree with other posters that you do better as a mature student. I really want this now and life experiences help.I am by no means the oldest in my class, proving you are never too old to go after your dreams.
  9. by   ProfRN4
    Quote from noirlincoln
    the marketing person told my daughter that inspite of the fact that she has most all of the freshman classes completed they can not offer her sophomore status. my daughter asked the marketing person what would she be doing with her time since she has already completed most all of the freshman coursework, and she was advised to take an emt program or minor in something while she waits to get into the sophomore year.
    that seems a little strange. if she has nothing left to do before soph. year, how can they hold her back from taking the next level courses? so she would have to be a freshman again (or is she only in hs now?) now your talking about extra $$ (or loans) to buy time, right?

    how does she feel about this? would you consider another 4yr school? is her heart set on this particular school for some reason? or is it the 'going away' thing that she really wants?

    and do you feel she can truly appreciate the consequences of the student loans? i know at 18, i didn't. i, like most, fell into that credit card trap. you have loans. right? does she grasp the timeframe, and the amount, and the interest??? i'm not in your situation, but if she's a smart girl, and you feel she can appreciate the consequences, maybe you should consider letting her make the choice herself. of course, there's the loan issue. if you feel she may end up defaulting (and then if falls on you), then that's a problem.

    this is obviously a tough decision for both of you to make. you obviously care aboiut her, and want the best for her. boy, do i appreciate pre-k even more now :chuckle
    Last edit by ProfRN4 on Jan 11, '05 : Reason: added content
  10. by   actioncat
    Quote from NOIRLINCOLN
    We went to the (4) yr college today and spoke with the marketing person. I was not impressed. The marketing person told my daughter that inspite of the fact that she has most all of the freshman classes completed they can not offer her sophomore status. My daughter asked the marketing person what would she be doing with her time since she has already completed most all of the freshman coursework, and she was advised to take an EMT program or minor in something while she waits to get into the sophomore year. NOT!! I DON'T THINK SO!!! We peeped our heads into some classrooms, but did not really get to see much. We then went to the (2) yr college. We picked up information, and the (2) yr application came in the mail . We went to the bookstore and looked at nursing, anatomy, and lifespan books. Both of these schools share the same clinical sites. My daughter did not really seem impressed with either school. On Wed we will go talk to the counselor at the (2) yr college. The counselor has graduate degrees from the (4) yr college that my daughter is considering even though she works at the (2) yr college, so she will be able to offer a more balanced view. My daughter did say that she is pursuing scholarships, but if the scholarships are not adequate then there is no way she is going to go into debt for her RN.
    Well, if there are competitive admissions, many times students have to wait to enter the program.
    But.. I have to ask: What type of university has a "marketing person" for admissions. I associate this more with profit making schools.
  11. by   NOIRLINCOLN
    Quote from bonemarrowrn
    that seems a little strange. if she has nothing left to do before soph. year, how can they hold her back from taking the next level courses? so she would have to be a freshman again (or is she only in hs now?) now your talking about extra $$ (or loans) to buy time, right?


    how does she feel about this? would you consider another 4yr school? is her heart set on this particular school for some reason? or is it the 'going away' thing that she really wants?


    and do you feel she can truly appreciate the consequences of the student loans? i know at 18, i didn't. i, like most, fell into that credit card trap. you have loans. right? does she grasp the timeframe, and the amount, and the interest??? i'm not in your situation, but if she's a smart girl, and you feel she can appreciate the consequences, maybe you should consider letting her make the choice herself. of course, there's the loan issue. if you feel she may end up defaulting (and then if falls on you), then that's a problem.

    this is obviously a tough decision for both of you to make. you obviously care about her, and want the best for her. boy, do i appreciate pre-k even more now :chuckle
    yes she is in high school right now. her hs grad date is 9 jun. she starts ap 1 16 may, and her ap 2 will overlap and begin 27 jun. there are (2) classes a nursing orientation class and a chem class that she will need to be ready for soph yr at the major (4) yr university. she will however have exceeded the entrance requirement for (2) yr program. the (2) yr program studies ap 1&2 during the first yr of nursing school. i like to keep the ap classes seperate from the nursing classes. i want her to focus on assessments, care plans, and the foundations of nursing.

    she is not dying to leave the state. she has many friends from high school who are staying in state as well. she looks at other (4) yr schools, but i believe that she has narrowed it down to these (2) schools. i would love for her to go to my nursing school in tx, but she would have to finish college chem before this summer 2005, and this would put her out of sync.

    she is "mommy's baby" and i will be overjoyed to see her succeed! i remember reading in foundations that self-esteem is built and preserved by small successes. i will be just as adament about her continuing her education beyond her adn. she is very intelligent and has much to offer.

    yes pre-k is wonderful time. it is such a great bonding time. when i was doing my bs her pre-k was at my college. when the pre-k would end i used to go get her and bring her to my statistics class. i had a educational coloring book that i got from one of the teacher's supply stores. she would complete a certain amount of pages during the class, and then i would have follow-up discussion sessions as we walked along to catch our bus to go home. i used to have her read menus, advertisements on the bus, any written material that we could spy. the bus ads were fantastic b/c she began to associate the expensive logos with the words and this helped her to develop her associative memory.
  12. by   nursee1
    Hi,
    This is my first time posting and I hope I am of some help.
    I too am a mother with a head strong daughter. She is now at 33 telling me she would not give anything for the experiences she has had except the ones where she got in all this debt before she made one penny.

    My daughter went to a 4 year college and received a degree in Biology education and began to teach when she realized that she wanted to go to dental school as we discussed prior to her changing her major for the 4 time. She then went to the community college for dental hygiene just to make sure she even liked being in someones mouth. Fortunately she loved it. She taught school for 3 years as a security blanket and did her hygiene at the summer breaks. She loved it and made almost as much money as she did during the year teaching. She is now a full time hygienist and loving it. Her salary has doubled but the only draw back is the house payment size loan payments she is paying for her bachelors degree.

    Have your daughter do the math before she gets into the financial horrors of repaying student loans.
  13. by   nursee1
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    Quote from nursee1
    Hi,
    This is my first time posting and I hope I am of some help. First piece of advise is to keep talking.

    I too am a mother with a head strong daughter. She is now at 33 and she keeps telling me she would not give anything for the experiences she has had except the ones where she got in all this debt before she made one penny.

    My daughter went to a 4 year college and received a degree in Biology education. She began to teach when she realized that she wanted to go to dental school as we discussed prior to her changing her major for the 4th time. She then went to the community college for dental hygiene just to make sure she would even liked being in someones mouth. Fortunately she loved it. She taught school for 3 years as a security blanket and did her hygiene at the summer breaks. She loved it and made almost as much money as she did during the year teaching. She is now a full time hygienist and loving it. Her salary has doubled but the only draw back is the house payment size loan payments she is making for her bachelors degree.

    Have your daughter do the math before she gets into the financial horrors of repaying student loans. Nursse1

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