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No. 20
from kdsrn
Old May 24, 2009, 03:29 AM

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As a clinical instructor myself, I feel it is important to have a caring, open attitude with students. This helps them to feel less intimidated and enhances learning in my opinion. I don't really know why some nursing instructors and nurses in general act the way they do. We are a profession well known for "eating our own". I hate it! We are all in this together and are better as a team than we are divided. Go to the Dean of Students about this instructor. That type of behavior shouldn't be tolerated.
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No. 21
Old May 24, 2009, 01:56 PM

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I, too, had a monster clinical instructor who seemed to go out of her way to trip me up and then "discuss" my failings in front of the entire class and others. It got so bad that I just couldn't deal with her and withdrew, although I had excellent grades on tests. I just wish that nursing instructors could understand that we are unsure of ourselves and need encouragement to grow in our skills. The more you do, the better and more confident you become. Bad experiences can scar. Maybe the more students who write about this, the better. We need more nurses-- and compassionate ones!
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No. 22
from 2BSure
Old May 24, 2009, 03:30 PM

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There is not and should never be any excuse for an instructor to behave badly. What makes me crazy is that they do not always know when they are behaving badly. Why? If they really thought it was bad behavior they probably wouldn't do it. The alternative is that they experienced it and therefore justify that others should when coming up in the ranks.

Personally I see it as bullying. Those who are not the subject of the bullying are so bloody grateful to be left alone they just carry on -- lest the bully set their sights on them. Those who are the subject of the bullying get no lateral support so it makes it nearly impossible to get support from someone senior enough to make a difference. Basically they are stuffed.

By the way no one's behavior is beyond reproach all of the time.

Also, a big deal is the shortage of nursing instructors. The choice in some places just is not great.

The real question is how do you point out bad behavior and not put your future career at risk by attaching your name to a complaint? This is the million dollar question.

Remember the experience and vow to not to do this stuff yourself or co-sign someone else's bad behavior.
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No. 23
Old May 25, 2009, 09:54 AM

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Thanks for taking the time to write about this issue clearly and concisely. While I have not been the subject of this type of behavior (except one time by a floor nurse), I have seen it and know that it exists.

Nobody succeeds in that type of environment. Why does it seem sometimes that nurses are against each others' success? Who in the world do you think you're going to turn to when things are tough on the floor one day? We all need each other (as much as we don't like to admit it sometimes!)
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No. 24
Old May 25, 2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 2BSure View Post
There is not and should never be any excuse for an instructor to behave badly. What makes me crazy is that they do not always know when they are behaving badly. Why? If they really thought it was bad behavior they probably wouldn't do it. The alternative is that they experienced it and therefore justify that others should when coming up in the ranks.

Personally I see it as bullying. Those who are not the subject of the bullying are so bloody grateful to be left alone they just carry on -- lest the bully set their sights on them. Those who are the subject of the bullying get no lateral support so it makes it nearly impossible to get support from someone senior enough to make a difference. Basically they are stuffed.

By the way no one's behavior is beyond reproach all of the time.

Also, a big deal is the shortage of nursing instructors. The choice in some places just is not great.

The real question is how do you point out bad behavior and not put your future career at risk by attaching your name to a complaint? This is the million dollar question.

Remember the experience and vow to not to do this stuff yourself or co-sign someone else's bad behavior.
I agree that we need to support our classmates who are unfairly targeted by an instructor or floor nurse!! At least help the student validate that the offending behavior is off the charts. You never know when the tables will turn and you'll need support yourself.
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No. 25
from muse12
Old Jun 02, 2009, 10:39 PM

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Sallber.
I just posted today..your post hits home for me.
Thanks
Wish I talked to you before I opened my mouth and left. IN any case, beautifully put...we need more people like you....
xo
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No. 26
from keds1982
Old Jun 03, 2009, 03:01 PM

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Hey everyone! I can certainly empathize with having a horrible clinical instructer. Right now I am in clinical hell with the devil for an instructer!!! Shes passive-agressive, condescending, she talks to me like Im stupid, she is NEVER clear on what she expects, and the make you feel like an idiot when you don't give her what she wants (and you don't ever really know what that is until after the fact) We are totally unfamilar with the paperwork on the unit, and to top it all off she hovers! I trully think I might hate this woman. She is ruining my semester. I cryed yesterday and today, she is completely unconcerned and ignors me. I have never even disliked a clinical instructor before.
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No. 27
Old Jun 05, 2009, 01:27 AM

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Had this exact problem once, and after 6 months of the lvn program, quit because I just could not take it anymore. The instructor I had back than was just out to get me. I now am re enrolled into another program and in the beginning of it again, so far so good. But, sometimes
if we are to aggressive towards an instructor they actually can kick you out of the program, so becareful..
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No. 28
from sallber
Old Jun 05, 2009, 10:10 AM

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Hey Muse!

Thanks so much. I just had to say something because I went through hell last year with clinical instructors who bullied me, screamed and yelled at me in front of fellow students and nurses, and belittled my ideas. The thing is, I did not seek support from fellow students, because I knew that unless they had walked in my shoes, they would not be able to see what was happenning. Even if they did see it, they turned a blind eye because of fear.

It is fear, I believe, that leads fellow nurisng students and nurses to do nothing. They figure, better you than me. This is wrong.

To LVN Trave.s, the problem is just what you stated. Be careful, be afraid, so say nothing and do nothing. That is the wrong attitude in my opinion. We are going to be nurses, we are going to have to get the cajones to talk to doctors, get up before a judge and explain ourselves and our practices, and deal with difficult situations every day. We need to get courage, and we need to get it fast, if we are to be good nurses.

Sometimes, we need to act IN SPITE of fear. We acknowledge the fear that is present, and use it as energy, harness it to stand up for ourselves.

We are going to be advocates, we are going to be saving lives while others cower in the corner. I don't want to be the kind of nurse that is too scared to speak up for myself, or my patients.

If I were a patient, I would want someone with courage taking care of me. And that means saying things that may make you uncomfortable, and may make others uncomfortable. Maybe some folks need to be uncomfortable, maybe then we may be heard and taken seriously as nurses.
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No. 29
from muse12
Old Jun 05, 2009, 11:06 AM

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Sallber

Thanks you are a great advocate.. I used your line the other day.. How can I be a patient advocate if Im not a personal one. In any case, I opened my mouth, nothing was done..I left. Took a leave of absence till AUgust (Fall) but Im so questioning my intentions at thispoint. Maybe Im jaded now, maybe after seeing the floor I know I couldnt move forward seeing this despair. WHo knows, all I know is Im reading post after post and nurses just dont seem enthused by their jobs (no offense to anyone) However burn out and politics seem to take a precious toll on the psyche of nurses. Who knows, I had such a drive to do this. Im 39 and felt in my heart this is my calling (until I saw it all first hand) Not only the instructors but whew the nurses... not nice to one another.....
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