*Update*Booted on last day of the semester - page 2

So, if you recall my last post...you know I got kicked out on the last day of the semester and had chosen to look at the bright side of things. I had decided to go back to school and pursue the rest... Read More

  1. by   mariedoreen
    Quote from 3rdShiftGuy
    Good luck Veronica.
    Ditto. Best of luck to you.
  2. by   LauraF, RN
    I didn't think they declined anyone for student loans. We are in a bankruptcy and have really bad credit. Our credit is sooo bad our mortgage is at 12% and we can't refinance. But I got a student loan. what about a different school?
  3. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    Public schools (like community and state colleges) can decline your enrollment if you are in default on federal student loans, until you get the mess straightened out (not necessarily paid off, but you have to take care of business).

    Most schools (maybe all), whether public or private, will decline your subsequent enrollment if you owe them money. (Would you keep selling your product to someone who was happy to receive it but continued to not pay their bill? Of course not.)

    And if there is grant money involved, and bills went unpaid, then the question (spoken or otherwise) is, we have evidence that you received the money to pay your tuition (etc) but it wasn't paid. So, like, where's the money?

    Make sense? (It's a rough lesson to learn that when money comes in earmarked for specific expenses and it gets diverted--usually because of a problem or emergency--it is harder to get caught up. Learned that one early.)
  4. by   smk1
    Quote from chris_at_lucas_RN
    Public schools (like community and state colleges) can decline your enrollment if you are in default on federal student loans, until you get the mess straightened out (not necessarily paid off, but you have to take care of business).

    Most schools (maybe all), whether public or private, will decline your subsequent enrollment if you owe them money. (Would you keep selling your product to someone who was happy to receive it but continued to not pay their bill? Of course not.)

    And if there is grant money involved, and bills went unpaid, then the question (spoken or otherwise) is, we have evidence that you received the money to pay your tuition (etc) but it wasn't paid. So, like, where's the money?

    Make sense? (It's a rough lesson to learn that when money comes in earmarked for specific expenses and it gets diverted--usually because of a problem or emergency--it is harder to get caught up. Learned that one early.)
    i just assumed the OP's school would automatically take their funds first and then disperse the remainder of the grant funds in the form of a check. (how they do it at my school) Is this not the case for everyone? :uhoh21: Is there any way you can go talk to advising or your nursing department head. I am sure you aren't the first student in this situation and they may have more ideas about how to get you back into the program, or funding ideas.
  5. by   angelac1978
    I don't know about the OP's school, but at 1 university I went to, if you failed a semester that you received grant money for, you had to pay back that grant money before you could enroll in classes and then you had to pay 1 semester on your own before you could receive financial aid again. It happened to me and it sucked big time, I was lucky that I lived at home and my parents were able to chip in some, but it was still tight.

    Veronica, you said that that scholarship program was only for ADN and not LPN. Why not go for your ADN instead? Is the LPN program the only one in your area? I know some of the hospitals where I live will pay for your tuition in exchange for your working for them for a few years but you don't have to work for them while you are in school. Maybe you could find a program like that. I hope that you find a solution!

    A
  6. by   DenaInWyo
    Veronica..

    guessing here, but was the grant trouble due to how things worked out for you at the end of the semester? Sometimes it's a matter of pushing things a little and talking to financial aid and seeing if there is some kind of appeal process. You never know until you bug the crap out of them

    Check with the job service (unemployment office) office about a program called WIA. I don't know how this program varies from state to state, or if it is even available in all states, but it is most certainly worth checking on. It pays for ALL school expenses, from tuition to uniforms to pens and pencils to the NCLEX. It doesn't affect student aid, either, so when you get that back on track, you'll be able to use every penny toward living expenses.

    Keep your chin up, and don't take no for an answer. Will be thinking of you

    Deana
  7. by   smk1
    Quote from DenaInWyo
    Veronica..

    guessing here, but was the grant trouble due to how things worked out for you at the end of the semester? Sometimes it's a matter of pushing things a little and talking to financial aid and seeing if there is some kind of appeal process. You never know until you bug the crap out of them

    Check with the job service (unemployment office) office about a program called WIA. I don't know how this program varies from state to state, or if it is even available in all states, but it is most certainly worth checking on. It pays for ALL school expenses, from tuition to uniforms to pens and pencils to the NCLEX. It doesn't affect student aid, either, so when you get that back on track, you'll be able to use every penny toward living expenses.

    Keep your chin up, and don't take no for an answer. Will be thinking of you

    Deana
    i agree with this! i have heard of academic probation for people on financial aid. I don't know how it works or who qualifies but if this is your first semester with a failing grade it seems like you should be able to get probation and not just be booted off of your grant program. Please check into it, if for no other reason than knowing you truly checked every avenue. Godd luck and keep your chin up things will turn around!
  8. by   Truly_Blessed
    No, my tuition was paid in full by another program I was on...WIA. The grant was left for living expenses, so of course I used the money towards bills and what not...that's what I was advised to do. I think the DON kind of took advantage of the state I was in and told me to withdraw instead of taking an F(in one course)So, I did....now everyone's telling me they would have taken the F instead, so the grant money wouldn't have to be repaid. Dumb on my part....I wasn't thinking. But now that I think about it....it was to the schools advantage....doesn't make them look bad. BTW, I wasn't the first this year that they had convinced to withdraw. I was like the 7th. The class is down to less than 20 now...does that say something about the instructors...yeah I think so. Something's wrong their.
    Quote from chris_at_lucas_RN
    Public schools (like community and state colleges) can decline your enrollment if you are in default on federal student loans, until you get the mess straightened out (not necessarily paid off, but you have to take care of business).

    Most schools (maybe all), whether public or private, will decline your subsequent enrollment if you owe them money. (Would you keep selling your product to someone who was happy to receive it but continued to not pay their bill? Of course not.)

    And if there is grant money involved, and bills went unpaid, then the question (spoken or otherwise) is, we have evidence that you received the money to pay your tuition (etc) but it wasn't paid. So, like, where's the money?

    Make sense? (It's a rough lesson to learn that when money comes in earmarked for specific expenses and it gets diverted--usually because of a problem or emergency--it is harder to get caught up. Learned that one early.)
  9. by   Truly_Blessed
    lol, Yep I was on WIA. They have agreed to keep my case open for a year, but I have to pay fall semester on my own since I didn't pass one class out of 7. Had Bs, As, and one C. This whole bruhaha is over less than half a point. It's mind blowing.
    Quote from DenaInWyo
    Veronica..

    guessing here, but was the grant trouble due to how things worked out for you at the end of the semester? Sometimes it's a matter of pushing things a little and talking to financial aid and seeing if there is some kind of appeal process. You never know until you bug the crap out of them

    Check with the job service (unemployment office) office about a program called WIA. I don't know how this program varies from state to state, or if it is even available in all states, but it is most certainly worth checking on. It pays for ALL school expenses, from tuition to uniforms to pens and pencils to the NCLEX. It doesn't affect student aid, either, so when you get that back on track, you'll be able to use every penny toward living expenses.

    Keep your chin up, and don't take no for an answer. Will be thinking of you

    Deana
  10. by   Truly_Blessed
    My reason for going into nursing is not just about money, but at the same time I need a stable job asap. LVN is the quickest way. We do have a few ADN programs here....and i have gotten some of the pre-reqs out of the way, but it would still take me forever to finish...more than 1 year. I'm not trying to be a struggling student for 2 whole years with a little one to look after So, therefore I chose a career ladder option for my education....for me personally it's the best way to go.
    Quote from angelac1978
    I don't know about the OP's school, but at 1 university I went to, if you failed a semester that you received grant money for, you had to pay back that grant money before you could enroll in classes and then you had to pay 1 semester on your own before you could receive financial aid again. It happened to me and it sucked big time, I was lucky that I lived at home and my parents were able to chip in some, but it was still tight.

    Veronica, you said that that scholarship program was only for ADN and not LPN. Why not go for your ADN instead? Is the LPN program the only one in your area? I know some of the hospitals where I live will pay for your tuition in exchange for your working for them for a few years but you don't have to work for them while you are in school. Maybe you could find a program like that. I hope that you find a solution!

    A
  11. by   Saved_by_Grace
    Quote from Truly_Blessed
    No, my tuition was paid in full by another program I was on...WIA. The grant was left for living expenses, so of course I used the money towards bills and what not...that's what I was advised to do. I think the DON kind of took advantage of the state I was in and told me to withdraw instead of taking an F(in one course)So, I did....now everyone's telling me they would have taken the F instead, so the grant money wouldn't have to be repaid. Dumb on my part....I wasn't thinking. But now that I think about it....it was to the schools advantage....doesn't make them look bad. BTW, I wasn't the first this year that they had convinced to withdraw. I was like the 7th. The class is down to less than 20 now...does that say something about the instructors...yeah I think so. Something's wrong their.
    Yea I wish I had known this too. If I had just flunked out of the courses instead of officially "withdrawing" I wouldn't have to pay back the $407 they now say I owe, I could have just repeated the course like I'm going to anyway, but just with no financial penalty. This system makes no ******* sense. And yea I was 'encouraged' to withdraw too. So I guess the school gets the benefit of my $2000 + pell and now I owe them more on top of it. Go figure.
  12. by   HisTreasure
    My prayers are with you, but of course you know I am always praying for you. You are beautiful, Vero, inside and out. Although now it may not seem like it, you are about to have a great blessing come out of this. I was thinking...do you have your CNA? I know that local hospitals here will do tuition assistance for patient care technicians going for their RNs. So, if you get employed at a participating hospital, you can have the hospital pay. Now, I know what you said about the assistance- so a workaround would be to find out if your social services has a welfare to work program. You can work a certain amount of hours, and still receive assistance for up to a set period of time... If your take home pay does not exceed certain limits after this time period is up, you have to sign a new contract. It may be called transitional assistance also. Also, if you are doing pre-reqs at the same school, you should be able to defer payments or sign a payment contract, which would put you on academic probation but will allow you to receive aid. ANOTHER option is to do your pre-reqs through a different aid eligible school. If one isn't really close, why not apply to Deaconess? They are expensive, but they are eligible for Title IV funds, meaning you could get Pell, loans, other grants... You may not want to finish your program online, which is cool- but it is a means to an end! Another efficient way of getting some of your pre-reqs out of the way would be to do CLEP exams. You can CLEP many subjects. A friend of mine, in slightly similar situation to yours, lost her federal aid. So, she had to drop out completely. Now, she just goes to the library, takes out different text books, and self-teaches herself. There are study aids available in bookstores and online (programs, study guides, etc.) that help you to prepare, if that is an easier method for you. She does a mixture of study guides, practice tests online, and then she looks up difficult topics in the text books for more clarification. The internet has a wealth of reliable (and not so reliable ) information that can also be referenced, and there are online libraries, too! Just a couple of ideas...
    Last edit by HisTreasure on Dec 29, '04
  13. by   giada23
    This situation happened to me too at my school. I had to drop out of school once and I had already bought all my books and such. The school had already charged my financial aid account for my classes but they hadn't charged my account for my books. So when they mailed me back the left over money from my financial aid, I thought everything was already paid for. Well turns out, they mailed me back too much money. Ofcourse I spent the money and wound up having to pay the school back $455 dollars for the books they never paid for. Everybody goes through some type of hard time in school. I know what you are going through. I was working at Little Caesar's pizza as a Co-manager, making 9.00 an hour with no help from my childrens father. I had a 600 dollar house note, I was being sued for 4,000 dollars for an unpaid credit card bill, owed for my computer, two more credit card bills, not to mention my utility bills and money to go back and forth to work. I was tired of working at my job as it was draining me and I was becoming severely depressed. I quit that job, with no other job in sight. I prayed and I am still in the process in working in a place where I am happy at while I am going through school. I am working now, but it isn't where I want to work. But where there is a will there is a way, and God has saved me from hard times many a time before. Since I know He did it for me and others I am confident He will do it for you. The answer doesn't always come when you want it to, but rest assured it will come. I will be praying for your greater good Veronica. I admire your strength and courage. Girl this is not the end for you yet, and I know great things will come for you. Don't give up and keep hope alive. I know how difficult things can get especially being a single mother, but as long as you keep your focus and determination, things will turn out beautifully for you. Don't quit five minutes before the miracle. Inhale Peace, Exhale Joy!!!!!!!

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