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No. 60
from Sheri257
Old Jun 02, 2004, 08:16 AM

I see a contradiction here. Everybody is always complaining that they are overworked and need more help ...

Yet, 80 percent of the people here say don't hire foreign nurses which, obviously, would help ...

Then you hear the standard: "If you improved working conditions people would return to the job ..." line.

But, wouldn't hiring foreign nurses also improve working conditions, i.e. ratios?

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No. 61
from CCU NRS
Old Jun 02, 2004, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by lizz
I see a contradiction here. Everybody is always complaining that they are overworked and need more help ...

Yet, 80 percent of the people here say don't hire foreign nurses which, obviously, would help ...

Then you hear the standard: "If you improved working conditions people would return to the job ..." line.

But, wouldn't hiring foreign nurses also improve working conditions, i.e. ratios?

You know I really am torn on this issue as well. I did vote no on the survey, and here are my reasons. I think english is my main concern. I know that these nurses are intelligent and can often speak more than one language but they are difficult to understand and in this profession if your Pt can not understand you they are not recieving proper care, if they are too polite or embarrassed or whatever to have a nurse keep repeating themselves they will eventually go without care for lack of understanding, I know I can not understand them most of the time but I am not hesitant to have them repeat themselves.

I did a change of shift introduction last week with a new nurse from India and the Pt just kept saying what, huh? what? when she spoke to him. With elderly people being predisposed by War, education, and upbringing to be predjudice it is awful when they feel they won't even recieve good care or can not understand their nurse.
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No. 62
from suzanne4
Old Jun 02, 2004, 10:36 AM

What type of visa was that nurse on? If it was a green card and her own, then her English skills must be the same as a native speaker. And many Indian nurses have that problem. If she got a visa to work due to a husband then she is not required to have the English testing. I am sure that this is going to change. If she got in under one of the last H1-B visas, then she was only required to pass TOEFL. The new laws go into effect next month.
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No. 63
from suzanne4
Old Jun 02, 2004, 10:39 AM

I am an American nurse, and I loved it when I was working in the US. Did it for over 25 years and during the time that I was going to school. But now I prefer living over on this side of the world. I definitely didn't leave healthcare, just approaching it differently. And making a difference in someone's life. Isn't that the most important thing?
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No. 64
from Sheri257
Old Jun 02, 2004, 01:13 PM
Updated Jun 02, 2004 at 01:23 PM by Sheri257

Originally Posted by suzanne4
The new laws go into effect next month.
As always, thanks suzanne. I did not know that the new requirements hadn't gone into effect yet. That certainly explains all of these posts where people have been complaining about English proficiency.

Hopefully, the new laws will help address that problem. Question: Do you know if the marriage exemption that you previously mentioned would also apply under these new laws?

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No. 65
from CCU NRS
Old Jun 02, 2004, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by lizz
As always, thanks suzanne. I did not know that the new requirements hadn't gone into effect yet. That certainly explains all of these posts where people have been complaining about English proficiency.

Hopefully, the new laws will help address that problem. Question: Do you know if the marriage exemption that you previously mentioned would also apply under these new laws?

Really tho rerading & writing english are still very separate from a clear understandable voice
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No. 66
from talaxandra
Old Jun 02, 2004, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Rep
Here in the Philippines, the government is not spending any single cent for our nursing education!
With the number of ex-pat Fillipina nurses working in Australia and elsewhere, supply within your country must be diminishing. Do the Phillipine public know that there is a nursing drain from the Phillipines?
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No. 67
from fergus51
Old Jun 02, 2004, 03:50 PM

I have known several nurses who passed english tests. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean they can actually function in healthcare with their level of fluency.
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No. 68
from Tweety
Old Jun 02, 2004, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by talaxandra
With the number of ex-pat Fillipina nurses working in Australia and elsewhere, supply within your country must be diminishing. Do the Phillipine public know that there is a nursing drain from the Phillipines?

There was a big discussion about that here a few months back. Basically there were several thoughts I got out of that discussion. One is yes, it's a drain on their nursing and health in their country. Two, that even though they have the nurses, their hospitals can't afford to or won't hire them, thus a surplus. Three that they are much like a nurse factory, providing English language BSN-trained nurses for nursing shortages throughout the world in order to send them out to make good money and send some of that money home. The amount of money the Filipino nurses send home to help their families is significant.
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No. 69
from Sheri257
Old Jun 03, 2004, 08:37 AM
Updated Jun 03, 2004 at 12:02 PM by Sheri257

Originally Posted by fergus51
I have known several nurses who passed english tests. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean they can actually function in healthcare with their level of fluency.
Originally Posted by CCU NRS
Really tho rerading & writing english are still very separate from a clear understandable voice
Ok then, another question for suzanne4:

What do these new requirements involve, and does it address any of the above mentioned concerns?

My husband works for the state of California, and they pay extra if you learn Spanish. However, you have to take an oral exam, and actually speak with proficiency. I wonder if that would solve the problem here, and if it should be or, is already, required?

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