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No. 30
from mattsmom81
Old May 24, 2004, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by CCU NRS
I don't understand why anyone wants to argue the issue of a shortage. If there are not enough nurses working there is a shortage.
Because the word 'shortage' implies a gross oversimplification. It implies a solution of 'crank out more new grads and the problem will be solved.' .

One could say we have a 'shortage' of ditchdiggers too...but I prefer to say the work is difficult, tiresome and doesn't pay.... thus not many aspire to a ditchdigging career ...much closer to the truth, IMO.
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No. 31
from missmercy
Old May 24, 2004, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by nursesarah
i'm a canadian nurse, and hospitals in the southern us (meaning, anything not along the US-Canada border) recruit canadian nurses heavily. they pay us top dollar. i had the opportunity to talk to several recruiters at my school and they say it's bc canadian nursing students (at least, at the university i go to, McMaster) are better trained than students in the states. so maybe the problem isn't a nursing shortage.....maybe it's the actual programs in the schools.

i for one plan on working in the states for the first few years after i graduate. many hospitals offer graduating canadian students huuuge signing bonuses, great benefits, and great salaries. i could pay off my student loan just from the signing bonus. ($15,000 US). i know several students who have done this.
Have to wonder if these hospitals are offering US trained nurses the same kinds of bonuses -- I know we aren't offering anything THAT high!!!
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No. 32
from CCU NRS
Old May 24, 2004, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by mattsmom81
Because the word 'shortage' implies a gross oversimplification. It implies a solution of 'crank out more new grads and the problem will be solved.' .
There is no oversimplification, more new grads are needed. Simply because nurses are leaving the field.

One could say we have a 'shortage' of ditchdiggers too...but I prefer to say the work is difficult, tiresome and doesn't pay.... thus not many aspire to a ditchdigging career ...much closer to the truth, IMO.
Pretty much machines dig ditches now because they make several different machines for that type of job...I do not think nurses will be replaced as easily as ditch diggers.


OK THE QUOTE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT IS THIS!
Could you split the hair a little more puhlease! That is like saying we don't have a gas shortage we have an oil shortage! Yes we do have a nursing shortage, even though there are more than one hundred thousand licensed nurses that are not currently working that creates a nursing shortage, if they are not working as nurses.
The qualifier was this!

I don't understand why anyone wants to argue the issue of a shortage. If there are not enough nurses working there is a shortage. Many of the nurses that continue to have a license will never return for reasons such as having married a Doctor, or someone else with enough money to support them, it's like a hairdresser, even though you have no intention of returning to work it is prudent to keep your license updated and valid because one never knows what might happen.
If they are not working as nurses we have a nursing shortage. It doesn't matter if they don't want to work in the medical field anymore or lost an arm or married a millionaire, if they are not working as nurses WE have a shortage of available working nurses PERIOD.
My facility just did a recruitment to India. I spoke to my manager about this and she only had two postions for CCU but they were looking to fill only like 25 positions. This to me seems excessive. The money spent to recruit 25 nurses when wage increases could likely entice 25 nurses they are using as agency to come on staff.
I finished by saying I think wages are a big problem.
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No. 33
from CCU NRS
Old May 24, 2004, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by missmercy
Have to wonder if these hospitals are offering US trained nurses the same kinds of bonuses -- I know we aren't offering anything THAT high!!!
My facility is offering $10,000 for a three year commitment to night shift. $3000 for day or evening for one year commitment. For RN's!
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No. 34
from jemb
Old May 24, 2004, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by eltrip
I also voted no. I have no issue with nurses coming to this country on their own volition. I have a problem though, with hospitals spending the cash to bring them here. If they focused on retention rather than recruitment, a difference might be seen.

Why NOT spend the cash to improve nurse-patient ratios & working conditions with local staff rather than recruit from overseas to fill the positions? If they're going to spend money after all, why not spend it to help the nurses & patients here.

Besides, the other countries need their nurses, too!
Exactly! Plus, having seen three cycles of 'nursing shortage' prompted recruitment of foreign nurses in my career, I know that this is not a solution. If it were a solution, why does it keep occurring every decade?
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No. 35
from Dixiecup
Old May 25, 2004, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by gingerzoe
I, also, do not feel the united states has a nursing shortage. If hospitals and other health care facilities would up the pay, benefits and staffing, there would be nurses coming out of everywhere. No I do not believe they should recruit from other countries. Lets do something original: TAKE CARE OF THE NURSES WE HAVE HERE!!!!!
RIGHT ON!!!!!PAY US WHAT WER'E WORTH!!!
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No. 36
from Dixiecup
Old May 25, 2004, 12:44 AM

Thumbs down I agree
Originally Posted by GEO
TRYING NOT TO SOUND JADED...BUT YOU ARE 19....OH MY, WHAT YOU HAVE TO LEARN. THE ONE AND ONLY TIME I TOOK A SIGN ON BONUS I DID NOT FINISH MY YEAR. AT THE END OF THE 6 MONTHS I WAS OUT OF THERE, AS THE REASON FOR THE SIGN ON BONUS BECAME VERY CLEAR, VERY SOON! IT WAS DANGEROUS FOR PATIENTS AND STAFF ALIKE. GOOD LUCK TO YOU SARAH.......HOPE FOR YOUR SAKE IT TURNS OUT LIKE "THE RECRUITERS" HAVE PICTURED IT....AS FAR AS CANADIAN NURSES BEING BETTER TRAINED......??WHO KNOWS....I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TOLD AND WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS TO BE TRUE CAN BE TWO DIFFERENT PICTURES
I also have taken one sign on bonus job. I t was to be given in three increments over a year period. I couldn't even make it to the first installment which was only 3 months. I tried but I just couldn't do it. I was outta there! :hatparty:
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No. 37
from GEO
Old May 25, 2004, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Dixiecup
I also have taken one sign on bonus job. I t was to be given in three increments over a year period. I couldn't even make it to the first installment which was only 3 months. I tried but I just couldn't do it. I was outta there! :hatparty:
MONEY WAS GOOD, STAFFING WAS SCARY.......I FEARED FOR MY LICENSE.
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No. 38
from grizfan
Old May 25, 2004, 10:04 PM

Default foreign nurses are foreign
Guys, Guys, Guys! people from different countries do not think like we think. It may be a 'cultural crevase' too wide to work in. Experience tells me that the efforts should be made on two groups; new nurses and old nurses. Treat new with care (don't tell a newly dx cancer patient he is going to die). Treat old like they are special (they want to know from you that they are or they will leave). Everyone wants to stay on the job. A pat on the back by those they work with goes a long way. grizfan
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No. 39
Old May 25, 2004, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by odatrn
mfdteacher wrote:

We do not need foreign nurses, we need to address the problems imposed by the system currently in place. As long as the dollar is more important than the patient, we'll never go back to the hospital.

You said it best! I don't mind being mindful of the budget crisis in health care, but let the doctors shoulder some of the responsibility in the situation. As for foreign nurses? We are a town of 36,000 and have a community college close by that has ADN and an LPN programs. It is the only thing that keeps our shortage at bay.
If the hospitals used already well trained RN's AND LPN's and paid more, with better staffing instead of paying to recruit foreign nurses, (and also having to pay us agency/registry wages....) they would have no shortage.

However, I LIKE the flexibility of my job and the pay is much better than I would get working solely as an LPN for one employer, (almost what I can earn as an RDH) and I still have the flexibility to do RDH for even more $$ without the hassle of working with one DDS. I can do either/both professions in one month. And choose where/when I work.

The DDS's also complain about Hygienist shortage, but THERE the problem is the same... some DDS's respect and treat us as professionals... many don't. Those who don't eventually have a reputation and cannot find anyone. OR they live so far away that it is difficult to get someone to want to drive an hour to work daily. There is the same problem in both places...but there is really no shortage of nurses OR Hygienists... just many who have chosen NOT to continue to work as either.
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