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May 21, 2004, 11:47 PM
 Survey: Should nurses from other countries be recruited to aid in the nursing shortag Originally Posted by talaxandra The other aspect is that the nursing shortage doesn't just affect the West - offering incentives to nurses from second- and third-world countries does a grave disservice to the countries that invested money in training them, leaving them short. Using overseas recruitment to patch up the nursing shortage is a short-term solution to a long-standing, long-term problem. It's typical of government policy in general - rather than addressing long-range plans that will cost money and not necessarily pay off while they're in office, politicians and CEOs look at the next election, annual bonus or shareholders meeting.
I VOTED NO, ALSO. I HAVE WORKED WITH SOME VERY GOOD NURSES FROM FOREIGN COUNTRIES AND I WAS VERY GRATEFUL FOR THEIR HELP.... BUT TALAXANDRA HAS A VERY GOOD POINT. THE DISSERVICE IS TWO FOLD. I KNOW SEVERAL VERY DEDICATED CNA'S AND LPNS WHO WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO GO TO SCHOOL. MOST HAVE CHILDREN AND THE DRIVE TO CLINICALS (70 MILES ONE WAY) IN OUR MID WEST TOWN IS SIGNIFICANT. THE ANSWER IS POLITICAL. HOW DOES ONE FIX THIS MESS??   | | No. 22 |
May 22, 2004, 12:45 AM
I'm torn, because it doesn't address the problem of the nursing shortage it's just a band aid.
Our hospital recruits heavily in Canada and the Phillipines. I am currently working with three new the US Filipina nurses. They are BSN prepared, skilled, hard working and the nicest nicest nicest people I have been associated with in a long time. We would be horribly short-staffed without them.
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May 22, 2004, 02:48 PM
i'm a canadian nurse, and hospitals in the southern us (meaning, anything not along the US-Canada border) recruit canadian nurses heavily. they pay us top dollar. i had the opportunity to talk to several recruiters at my school and they say it's bc canadian nursing students (at least, at the university i go to, McMaster) are better trained than students in the states. so maybe the problem isn't a nursing shortage.....maybe it's the actual programs in the schools.
i for one plan on working in the states for the first few years after i graduate. many hospitals offer graduating canadian students huuuge signing bonuses, great benefits, and great salaries. i could pay off my student loan just from the signing bonus. ($15,000 US). i know several students who have done this.
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May 22, 2004, 11:18 PM
Originally Posted by gingerzoe I, also, do not feel the united states has a nursing shortage. If hospitals and other health care facilities would up the pay, benefits and staffing, there would be nurses coming out of everywhere. No I do not believe they should recruit from other countries. Lets do something original: TAKE CARE OF THE NURSES WE HAVE HERE!!!!!
You are raising a good point here. I was injured in 1993 and took a disability in 1994. Reentering the job force, I took a trust management position for a few years. I CANNOT believe the degeneration in staffing. In upstate NY in 1994 we showed favoritism of ratio of 8-10 to a nurse in the Masonic Home. Returning to PRN nursing, the long term facility ratios are 30-40 to one nurse. The expectations and stress is so horrendous, it is not unusual for me to take 12 hrs to accomplish an 8 hour shift with one meal break. I am exhausted. I look into the eyes of any regular nurses and they are stressed to the max. I see the "unhealthiest" people in this community to be nurses. What messages are being sent out? I really believe the top management are doing well with salaries and I KNOW the non-profits are only tax exempt organizations. Many long term facilties are being acquired by pharmaceutical companies, I have heard. Any more pressure and we will find robots providing patient care!
Lyu
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May 22, 2004, 11:35 PM
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May 22, 2004 at 11:38 PM by SmilingBluEyes
no. for all the reasons above....
Really, we don't need to rob other countries of their precious resources, as we so often do (here in the USA). Nurses are precious resources in all countries, especially in poor and underserved ones.
Importing international labor in nursing, well, it's a bandaid fix at best-- when if we treated our native workers better, a fix like this not be necessary. It's short-sighted, just like hospitals paying big buck$ to recruit newbies instead of investing in the proven employees they already have. Poorly thought-out and against all common sense.
It's been said before: there is no shortage of qualified nurses in the USA, just ones who are willing to put up with the crap that suits, some obnoxious patients/families, insurance companies, and doctors dish out. Really, that is well-known, but it's much like the white elephant in the room that no one wants to admit he/she sees.
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May 23, 2004, 02:31 PM
 Should Nurses From Other Countries Be Recruited To Aid In The Nursing Shortage Originally Posted by nursesarah i'm a canadian nurse, and hospitals in the southern us (meaning, anything not along the US-Canada border) recruit canadian nurses heavily. they pay us top dollar. i had the opportunity to talk to several recruiters at my school and they say it's bc canadian nursing students (at least, at the university i go to, McMaster) are better trained than students in the states. so maybe the problem isn't a nursing shortage.....maybe it's the actual programs in the schools.
i for one plan on working in the states for the first few years after i graduate. many hospitals offer graduating canadian students huuuge signing bonuses, great benefits, and great salaries. i could pay off my student loan just from the signing bonus. ($15,000 US). i know several students who have done this.
TRYING NOT TO SOUND JADED...BUT YOU ARE 19....OH MY, WHAT YOU HAVE TO LEARN. THE ONE AND ONLY TIME I TOOK A SIGN ON BONUS I DID NOT FINISH MY YEAR. AT THE END OF THE 6 MONTHS I WAS OUT OF THERE, AS THE REASON FOR THE SIGN ON BONUS BECAME VERY CLEAR, VERY SOON! IT WAS DANGEROUS FOR PATIENTS AND STAFF ALIKE. GOOD LUCK TO YOU SARAH.......HOPE FOR YOUR SAKE IT TURNS OUT LIKE "THE RECRUITERS" HAVE PICTURED IT....AS FAR AS CANADIAN NURSES BEING BETTER TRAINED......??WHO KNOWS....I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TOLD AND WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS TO BE TRUE CAN BE TWO DIFFERENT PICTURES  | | No. 27 |
May 23, 2004, 03:59 PM
Is it not bad enough that many of the doctors cannot speak or write English? You want me to have to deal with nurses in the same boat?
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May 23, 2004, 04:05 PM
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May 23, 2004 at 04:30 PM by CCU NRS
Originally Posted by TiffyRN Once more we don't have a nursing shortage in the US, we have a shortage of WORKING nurses. Other countries are in no better shape with their nursing situations. I guess companies/hospitals will continue to do it though because they can, we have the financial muscle to attract the nurses.
I welcome our foreign nurses, I love working with them, they bring different ideas and experiences that I enjoy. I don't think we should restrict them coming into our country like some, just don't support recruiting efforts.
Could you split the hair a little more puhlease! That is like saying we don't have a gas shortage we have an oil shortage! Yes we do have a nursing shortage, even though there are more than one hundred thousand licensed nurses that are not currently working that creates a nursing shortage, if they are not working as nurses.
I don't understand why anyone wants to argue the issue of a shortage. If there are not enough nurses working there is a shortage. Many of the nurses that continue to have a license will never return for reasons such as having married a Doctor, or someone else with enough money to support them, it's like a hairdresser, even though you have no intention of returning to work it is prudent to keep your license updated and valid because one never knows what might happen.
My facility just did a recruitment to India. I spoke to my manager about this and she only had two postions for CCU but they were looking to fill only like 25 positions. This to me seems excessive. The money spent to recruit 25 nurses when wage increases could likely entice 25 nurses they are using as agency to come on staff.
I do feel that nurses should make more money. I do feel that wages and autonomy are the two biggest factors that would give nurses what they want and need to keep working in the medical field.
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May 23, 2004, 10:22 PM
I am acutely aware of a nursing shortage in our area, at the same time the agencies are being cut back in their requests. The working conditions here which are 30-40 to one nurse in a long term facility are ridiculous. Nurses come in, burn out, and leave rapidly. I am so exhausted as a PRN nurse, with inadequate orientation to a facility (this costs money), not always supported in the overtime needed to complete the notes after giving up breaks and meals and running constantly, that I cannot share any enthusiasm for regular nursing in an instititution. There is not ONE local working nurse I have met that does not show signs of extreme stress. Committed nurses are not the issue. Greed somewhere at the top and inefficiencies in managerment are my observatiions. I find it ironical that in Casa Grande, AZ they are bringing over nurses from Scotland and England and overseas nursing agencies are recruiting RNs to those areas! What is happening in the medical arena is happening in corporate America everywhere. Greed. Working conditions everywhere have changed dramatically. Is it any different than giving all manufacturing to 3rd world countries and then having our taxes bail out their unstable US investments there after NAFTA passed? When will America wake up?
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