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| No. 20 |
Nov 07, 2004, 10:37 AM
Ruby:
I would not object to color coded badges -- I think this is very reasonable and, heaven knows, less expensive for the nurses (who, frankly, don't make enough to have to go out and buy a new set of *decent quality* scrubs).
Jack
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Nov 07, 2004, 02:07 PM
i agree Originally Posted by Noahm Where I work the nurses, CNA's and housekeeping all wear very different uniforms. Nurses= blue, CNA's = lavender, and housekeeping=green. And the patients still cannot figure out who is who. 
MY point exactly.............wear the cap!
| | No. 22 |
Nov 07, 2004, 02:16 PM
Weak? Originally Posted by mermodfreres Frankly I think the reasons we get so much confusion about who we are in the clinical setting is two-fold:
1. Many nurses still do not wear their name badges, identifying their name and licensure.
2. Most nurses are (still) not assertive enough to identify themselves to their patients, visitors and other clinicians.
Granted there are those patients/visitors who will forget who "that person in the scrubs" is; but, a uniform is not the root of the problem; rather, it is one of orientation for the patient and others. My belief is that historically uniformed professions establish a "weak" image for themselves as a group. And, while there are still patients who remember nurses in white uniforms/caps they are dying out. I still run into patients who can't believe that I'm a nurse (being a middle aged, gray haried male). But how I address this is by making it crystal clear who I am, what my licensure is and telling my patients, visitors and coworkers what I do in the workplace.
If I were a male, I would think the cap idea was pretty stupid as well, and so: as with any professional, there is always a double standard. I am not ging to wear a jock stap if someone said you are doing a mans work and therefore, put this on.
I personally do not think the uniform or cap are weak. Most people look up to firemen, police and the military. And you will find that many still like the white jacket on the doctor when they come to see him.
There will always be those that do and those that don't. I don't see an easy answer, but I agree.........wear your nametag so we can see it and introduce yourself. And even if everyone is not for the angel look, let those that do, the comfort of thier own choice.
| | No. 23 |
Nov 07, 2004, 02:33 PM
Updated
Nov 07, 2004 at 07:41 PM by drkolie
TriageRN-34 Originally Posted by TriageRN_34 How long? 5 years
Field? Depends, I am best in high stress acute situations (I loved ED!!!)...but work in an assisted living home due to rural location, great pay, and 5 minute drive!
Location? Oregon
Degree? ASN with strong desires to get my BSN when I have the finances, time and well...motivation.
UNIFORMS? The whites...no way! It was a bearcat keeping those clean, and I have well water that yellows the unform anyway, so my dry cleaning costs in RN school were substantial (because I couldn't use my machine). And a cap...no way in hadies, very impractical and I view it is somewhat sexist (I mean, what kind of cap shall our fine gentlemen wear, stands to reason they must wear one too at this point!).
I also have done some classes for my employer on 'white coat syndrome', which turned out to be very enlighening! There are so many older people at my facility that simply do whatever someone in a white coat says because they assume white means doctor! And the dresses got almost the opposite...'oh that is a nurse, I only listen to the doctor!'. Interesting! And yes, in a poll at my facility women residents said NO to the white dress uniforms because of the 'sexy' stereotype they fear the male residents may feel, and the men were a overwelming 'YES!' due to the exact thing the female residents were afraid of! LOL!!!!!
Why I did this was because of my employer! It is a fraturnally owned home (I won't say what organizaion), and choices in styles of uniforms is...oh how do I put this PC...ummmmm, chosen and voted upon by gents in their latter years! They definately have views of what 'women' should act like, look like, and well...I don't think the idea of nurses being actual professionals has sunk in like it should..LOL! IN other words, nurses don't' fetch coffee or light docs cigarettes anymore people...LOL!!!!!
Now, my employer did a comprimise (since we nurses had a cow over the idea or even slight mention of the old whites which they were thinking of having us wear!!! YES with cap!!!!). We wear kaki colored pants, pastel colored button down top, and a white vest. Still white, but okay...I think they may be changing that soon to a colored vest. Socks our our choice and we always go out and get the silliest fun socks! LOL! Shoes, our choice again, but no clogs or open toe. We all have quite a shoe rack...a colored pair to match our shirts  .
Our residents actually were very displeased suprisingly! They really enjoyed it when nurses and cna's wore scrubs of their choosing. They enjoyed the colors and fun patterns! But oh well...cna's now wear kaki pants and blue tops, nurses as I described.
It also back fires some times, all nurses...including management (where I am normally) were being called away from our duties because a client couldn't tell the difference from a floor nurse and managment. Paperwork was having to be put off because of clients just seeing a white coat, remembering that their toe hurt, and there we were doing the enormous amount of charting, faxing, treating instead of our managerial tasks! Heck, doing monthy double checks on MAR's was suffering greatly because of it...and the one other nurse and I barely get them done in time! So I am fighting for a different unform or even professional style street clothes for managerial staff so they can get their work done. (yeah, you just don't want to say "I am sorry, let your floor nurse know...clients don't bode well with that!).
I really think it is the area where we work, but here in hawaii, I work as a DON. in a Assisted living as well. We did not go out and ask the residents what they wanted to see. That was our first mistake. The corp. management of our facility decided on thier own that all cna's would wear their own white pants and the aloha top provided for them.
They then decided that the LPN's should wear nice street clothes to "make it appear that the nurses were more like family" instead of that "hospital" look. They were told no white dresses, no scrubs. The residents hated it and wondered who made that rule and why were'nt they asked. The outcome-----The LPN's were given an option to vote for white pants and an aloha top. Guess what? they did and the residents are thrilled. Me? Nursing over 30 years, RN, Ph.D. and old fashioned, just the way the residents like it, here at this facility anyways................go figure?
| | No. 24 |
Nov 07, 2004, 04:27 PM
I am only a student but I am going to chime in anyway. Nurses should be in scrubs. Any color. If there is a problem identifying the nurse then non-nursing personnel need to wear different attaire. No reason someone not handling or in danger of being soiled with bodily fluids need to be in scrubs. All admin personnel should be in street clothes. Housekeeping should be in, well the same uniforms hotels and the such use. CNA's probably should be in some sort of scrubs also, maybe with an apron or some distinguishing feature from nurses. Not just color. Or maybe the nurses would love to have the apron and its many pockets. Lab personnel should wear lab coats over their clothes. JMHO.
| | No. 25 |
Nov 07, 2004, 06:01 PM
OP here . . .
Thanks for the replies and dialogue! Keep the comments coming!
I have one comment/ question-- and it's for the folks saying that others should be the one changing their uniform, rather than nurses. Is it ok for us as a profession to be so egocentric that we expect others to change so that we look different, even though its US as professionals that want to be recognized as such? If we want the recognition, shouldn't we have to take the steps to look different?
Also-- we talk about scrubs being used by nurses because of potential exposure to body fluids-- housekeepers are just as likely to be exposed-- would scrubs be ok for them?
And why are scrubs a requirement for blood/ body fluid exposure? I just purchased new scrubs this weekend, and spent $40 on two scrub tops. Certainly I could purchase $40 in clothing at, say, goodwill, and not be as worried about the materials getting bloodied. I can understand the "disposability" of scrubs if the cost made them "disposable", but since they're so darn expensive, is there really a benefit to wearing them in "messy" environments?
Just some thoughts of mine. Thanks for writing!
--Heather
| | No. 26 |
Nov 09, 2004, 07:11 AM
Updated
Nov 09, 2004 at 07:19 AM by RN4NICU
Originally Posted by drkolie MY point exactly.............wear the cap!
No way. Not gonna happen. At least *I* won't wear one. If other nurses want to, then fine - but that should not be the means of identifying the nurse.
Anyone that does not know what my role is wasn't listening when I introduced myself. However, if the person opens his/her mouth and asks me, I would be happy to repeat myself. What I have on my head is not as important as what I have IN my head.
| | No. 27 |
Nov 09, 2004, 09:37 AM
Originally Posted by hellerd2003 OP here . . .
Thanks for the replies and dialogue! Keep the comments coming!
I have one comment/ question-- and it's for the folks saying that others should be the one changing their uniform, rather than nurses. Is it ok for us as a profession to be so egocentric that we expect others to change so that we look different, even though its US as professionals that want to be recognized as such? If we want the recognition, shouldn't we have to take the steps to look different?
Also-- we talk about scrubs being used by nurses because of potential exposure to body fluids-- housekeepers are just as likely to be exposed-- would scrubs be ok for them?
And why are scrubs a requirement for blood/ body fluid exposure? I just purchased new scrubs this weekend, and spent $40 on two scrub tops. Certainly I could purchase $40 in clothing at, say, goodwill, and not be as worried about the materials getting bloodied. I can understand the "disposability" of scrubs if the cost made them "disposable", but since they're so darn expensive, is there really a benefit to wearing them in "messy" environments?
Just some thoughts of mine. Thanks for writing!
--Heather
It is not because of being egocentric that nurses should stay in scrubs. It is because when the public sees someone in scrubs they think of medical personnel. So, imho, non-medical personnel should stay out of scrubs.
| | No. 28 |
Nov 12, 2004, 09:55 AM
I have been a nurse for 21 years. Most of my career, I have been a Critical Care Nurse(16 YEARS). I am currently the Director of Critical Care. I personally am not happy that every employee at our hospital is now wearing scrubs. It is hard for patient's and family members to differentiate the nurse from the housekeeper's and the dietary staff. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth of our customers to walk up to someone, who they think is a nurse, to inquire about their familly member, and receives a reply of, "I don't know, I am not a nurse, you'll have to ask the nurse". If you try to pick out a nurse in a sea of SCRUBS, it becomes a little more difficult. I think we should continue to wear SCRUBS. Everyone else should choose another uniform!
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