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No. 50
Old Jul 12, 2008, 06:17 AM

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But change starts with one. I had worked for a home health agency for 8 yrs w/out a raise. We, as a group, wrote letters, had meetings; no change. I pushed for 'Unless we threaten to quit, there will be no change.' There was no peer support. I did leave thanking the agency for 8 great years clearly stating the lack of raise as my reason. Eventually another left. And raises did come about. There are other nursing jobs. When lives (& your license) are on the line, it may be time to consider looking.
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No. 51
from MzKGoRN
Old Jul 12, 2008, 06:09 PM

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Okay I am hope I do not get jumped on, but I was a medication aide and now I am a RN

So I would say that even though a medication aide is not licensed they are taught how to pass medications, the classifications of the drug, what the drug is for and the adverse affects of the drug to watch for. There are some great medication aides and as always some bad seeds.

i do not work in LTC but if I did, I would ask to train the medication aide of my hall myself. I do not know if this can be done at all LTC centers, but when I was a medication aide, the nurse who work the same shift and the same hall as I trained me on the med cart.

I would say the med aides are a big help to the nurses in LTC, but i guess it depends on the med aide.
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No. 52
from BradleyRN
Old Jul 14, 2008, 06:31 PM
Updated Jul 25, 2008 at 05:21 PM by BradleyRN

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Originally Posted by ICU2008 View Post
Okay I am hope I do not get jumped on, but I was a medication aide and now I am a RN...i do not work in LTC but if I did, I would ask to train the medication aide of my hall myself.
Originally Posted by schmuffin View Post
I am a med aide, we had a 5 day class, now its down to 4 days and about a half an hour of actual hands on training on the floor before they stick you out there yourself... terrible isnt it???
I would not fault a person for being a med aide. I would warn them though that the risk of them hurting someone would be astronomically high. I dont think it would be easy to train someone that had a 4 day class to do a job that we spent years learning. It would take at least equally that long to train them. Of course they are a help to the nurse, they are doing a nurses' job! The point is, it shouldnt be an undertrained, uneducated med aide responsible for such a serious skill as giving out medications. It is not safe for the patients, nor is it safe for the longevity of our careers. It is kind of an insult to nursing to say that the hell we went through could be learned in just 4 days and by anybody! RN's are the cream of the student crop. Only the highest GPA's made it into the programs. I seriously doubt there is any prerequisite to being a med aide, except maybe to have a name. Please know that im not jumping on you or any med aide. All RN's should have some degree of motivation to protect their skills from being given away to uneducated people. If not just for the preservation of our own careers, then think, one day we will be a patient too! Id rather look up and see a qualified RN than someone who had 4 days of training and a half hour of clinicals.
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No. 53
from MzKGoRN
Old Jul 14, 2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BradleyRN View Post
I would not fault a person for being a med aide. I would warn them though that the risk of them hurting someone would be astronomically high. I dont think it would be easy to train someone that had a 4 day class to do a job that we spent years learning. It would take at least equally that long to train them. Of course they are a help to the nurse, they are doing a nurses' job! The point is, it shouldnt be an undertrained, uneducated med aide responsible for such a serious skill as giving out medications. It is not safe for the patients, nor is it safe for the longevity of our careers. It is kind of an insult to nursing to say that the hell we went through could be learned in just 4 days and by anybody! RN's are the cream of the student crop. Only the highest GPA's made it into the programs. I seriously doubt there is any prerequisite to being a med aide, except maybe a to have a name. Please know that im not jumping on you or any med aide. All RN's should have some degree of motivation to protect their skills from being given away to uneducated people. If not just for the preservation of our own careers, then think, one day we will be a patient too! Id rather look up and see a qualified RN than someone who had 4 days of training and a half hour of clinicals.
Okay I see your point but just to provide some clarification the 4 days is how many days out of the week that the class was held not the entire course of training.
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No. 54
from lindarn
Old Jul 15, 2008, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by aloevera View Post
I have never worked with a med-aide...but I don't think that it would be practical at all....I would not feel comfortable one bit....I have LPN's passing meds in my facility and it works out great !!!

Added tid-bit----how about CMT's??? I went to have an IVP done and two different "techs" at the hospital tried to put an IV in...no luck and I have great veins....Finally, I demanded that they find an RN or I would do it myself !!!! After waiting 20 min. for them to find one, she came and zipped it right in...I thought I was in a car garage getting repairs with all the
"certified medical technicians" around and NO NURSES !!!!

What is that all about????
Until and unless the "customer" complains about the amateur care they are receiving, nothing will change.

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington
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No. 55
from lindarn
Old Jul 15, 2008, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Nurse4years View Post
True- it is all about greed. But that is what capitalism is all about, isn't it?
So, what is the answer?
If states outlawed all med techs tomorrow- there would be no medications passed in thousands of LTC, ALF, RCF, etc. Until the system has produced enough nurses, what to do? Totally untrained staff giving meds in group homes- including tube meds.
I have seen mistakes by CMTs, LPNs, RNs, NPs, Docs... It happens. But, I have performed the LTC med passes, and would not do it full time.
Any ideas as to what the future might hold? How we could improve conditions during this "nursing shortage"?
It would force the nursing homes as ALFs to pay enough to encourage nurses to come back to work.

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington
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No. 56
Old Jul 15, 2008, 12:58 AM

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My vote no. If a med error was to occur and it was the med aid that passed the med, Who is responsible? The med aid or ultimitly the nurse? Does the med aid work under the licensed personnel or are they held responsible for thier actions?
p.s if this has been answered in this thread already please forgive me.
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No. 57
from booklmb
Old Jul 16, 2008, 09:09 PM

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I will NEVER work with a medication "aide". I will quit first and seek employment elsewhere.
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No. 58
Old Jul 17, 2008, 08:20 AM

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I worked as a med tech at a personal care home. i realized how unsafe it because I took the time to learn about the meds. I quit my job and went to nursing school.
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No. 59
from love-d-OR
Old Jul 18, 2008, 04:28 PM

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Nooooooooo...NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
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