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No. 40
from kcochrane
Old Jul 08, 2008, 11:03 PM

Default Re: Should medication aides exist?
In my area, LTC faclities do not use med techs. I believe they are only used in group home settings. We work short because our facility does not plan well and/or they want to save money. If you are going to spend 6 months to train a med tech, why not spend the extra months and turn out an LPN?
I have to say at this time and with the limited amount I know on this subject..I think it is a bad idea.
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No. 41
from BradleyRN
Old Jul 08, 2008, 11:18 PM
Updated Jul 08, 2008 at 11:22 PM by BradleyRN

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Originally Posted by Nurse4years View Post
Any ideas as to what the future might hold? How we could improve conditions during this "nursing shortage"?
LTC facilities employ mostly LPN's. To become an LPN, i attended class from 8AM-3PM for one year. That is so far beyond what a med aide must do that it is absurd. Due to the high number of med errors made each year by LPN's, RN's and doctors, it seems astonishing that we would subject poor, defenseless elderly people to a risk that is obviously astronomically higher when these tasks are performed by exceedingly undereducated people. According to the Institute of Medicine of the National Academies, medication errors are among the most common medical errors, harming at least 1.5 million people every year. Studies indicate that 800,000 preventable drug-related injuries occur each year in long-term care settings. The committee noted that these are likely underestimates.---July 20, 2006

It will never be the time to buy into the lies perpetrated by greedy facilities. The nurses are out there for these jobs. They just want fewer patients and a little respect.
It is not a solution to the nursing shortage to let people come in off the streets and perform our skills. It should be a crime.
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No. 42
from BradleyRN
Old Jul 08, 2008, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kcochrane View Post
If you are going to spend 6 months to train a med tech, why not spend the extra months and turn out an LPN?
I have to say at this time and with the limited amount I know on this subject..I think it is a bad idea.
Look at what the medication aide schmuffin says and youll think it's even worse of an idea.....


Originally Posted by schmuffin View Post
I am a med aide...we had a 5 day class, now its down to 4 days and about a half an hour of actual hands on training on the floor before they stick you out there yourself...terrible isnt it???
What an outrage!!!
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No. 43
from BandEmom
Old Jul 11, 2008, 02:46 AM

Default I was one
and I do not think they should exist even in LTC. An LPN would be more appropriate if not another RN. I ran around by myself, with only one CNA for get this- 40 residents! in an alzheimers facility. The only actual training about what the drug classes were, why coumadin was such a big deal, etc was when it was state inspection time. I had no idea what I was giving people. Looking back it was scary.
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No. 44
from aloevera
Old Jul 11, 2008, 09:09 AM

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those that are grateful for the med aids due to the no. of pts. and the other dutes they must attend to...I can sympathyze with you because no matter how we all want skilled nurses in these facilities...we are not going to get them....GREED, people is what is running these facilities...
It does not matter WHAT we do...they will never provide us with adequate staffing (unless we all refused to work under those conditions !! ) At my facility, I have seen one RN to (up to) 45 pts. now, really, can anyone expect good pt. care with that ratio??? Administration does nothing but give you excuses....I have seen it time and time again...As long as these facilities are run by private, greedy corps, and/or ind. persons we are never going to see a change.
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No. 45
from BradleyRN
Old Jul 11, 2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by aloevera View Post
they will never provide us with adequate staffing (unless we all refused to work under those conditions !! ) At my facility, I have seen one RN to (up to) 45 pts. now, really, can anyone expect good pt. care with that ratio??? Administration does nothing but give you excuses....I have seen it time and time again...As long as these facilities are run by private, greedy corps, and/or ind. persons we are never going to see a change.
Standing in unity and refusing as you stated can make the necessary changes, especially if you do it in front of the news cameras. The mystery to me is that these nurses know good and well that they are NOT going to be able to deliver adequate pt care, and yet they put their license, and the safety of their pts on the line everyday as they clock in and accept the assignment. I have been so lucky in my career that the ratios i was working didnt result in severe harm or death to my pts. I have seen it happen to other nurses, and i bet they carry around a guilt that should be on the shoulders of the administrators instead. It is a crying shame that we just cant come together and stop these atrocities.
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No. 46
Old Jul 11, 2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cardiacRN2006 View Post
You didn't need a med aide, you needed another nurse.

Just because you are busy doesn't mean the pts deserve less. We are their advocates and unlicensed people passing meds is not in their best interests.
When I was doing my rotation at a LTC they had an LVN that was assigned to medications (there were so many patients that it took him about 2 hours for each : am, noon, and pm).
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No. 47
from Jessy_RN
Old Jul 11, 2008, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by aloevera View Post
I have never worked with a med-aide...but I don't think that it would be practical at all....I would not feel comfortable one bit....I have LPN's passing meds in my facility and it works out great !!!

Added tid-bit----how about CMT's??? I went to have an IVP done and two different "techs" at the hospital tried to put an IV in...no luck and I have great veins....Finally, I demanded that they find an RN or I would do it myself !!!! After waiting 20 min. for them to find one, she came and zipped it right in...I thought I was in a car garage getting repairs with all the
"certified medical technicians" around and NO NURSES !!!!

What is that all about????
It's all about money and greed.
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No. 48
from aloevera
Old Jul 11, 2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BradleyRN View Post
Standing in unity and refusing as you stated can make the necessary changes, especially if you do it in front of the news cameras. The mystery to me is that these nurses know good and well that they are NOT going to be able to deliver adequate pt care, and yet they put their license, and the safety of their pts on the line everyday as they clock in and accept the assignment. I have been so lucky in my career that the ratios i was working didnt result in severe harm or death to my pts. I have seen it happen to other nurses, and i bet they carry around a guilt that should be on the shoulders of the administrators instead. It is a crying shame that we just cant come together and stop these atrocities.
Some of us have to continue to work no matter the conditions...we have families to feed.....I have seen (one recently) stir things up with upper management about the staffing and she is not working any longer. That is how they take care of anyone wanting to make changes.
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No. 49
from BradleyRN
Old Jul 11, 2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by aloevera View Post
Some of us have to continue to work no matter the conditions...we have families to feed.....I have seen (one recently) stir things up with upper management about the staffing and she is not working any longer. That is how they take care of anyone wanting to make changes.
Indeed, standing up as one will only get you into trouble. Unity is the only way. By getting rid of one voice of dissent, they silence all the rest. Keeping us oppressed is what they get paid to do, and they certainly deserve a bonus.
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