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No. 20
from Melinurse
Old Jun 16, 2008, 09:28 PM

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Thanks for the clarification. I thought 10 hours seemed a bit short but, with the experience I had with one, well, it sounded about right. I am sure there are some med-aides out there who are very good and true assets to their nurses. However, I'll stick to passing my own.
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No. 21
Old Jun 16, 2008, 09:31 PM

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If the nurse refuses to work with the med aide then they get the med pass. They are not going to hire a nurse in place of a med aide just because the unhappy nurse wants them too. They are penny pinching. Most LTC nurses are grateful just to have a med aide period the thought of a nurse passing pills...why that would be like walking on streets of gold. Ever pass medications to 30 to 40 residents, do treatments on 10 patients, do all your skilled charting on 15 people and provide hospice care to 5 dying patients while being short 2 CNA's...then you will be grate full for a CMA....


Originally Posted by lindarn View Post
Wouldn't you rather have an RN or LPN, who is licensed? If nurses refused to work with unlicensed Medication Aides, Nursing homes would have no choice but to hire more nurses. I never understood why nurses just bend over and take it. Its not like the DON, or wife of the CEO would come down and pass meds in place of the medication aides if the nurse refused to work with them.

Then you could call the State and report the Nursing Home for not meeting the requirements concening med passes.

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
Spokane, Washington
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No. 22
from Melinurse
Old Jun 16, 2008, 09:39 PM

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That is the reason I don't work LTC. But I was more than happy to pass own meds, charting, wound care , etc. However, I prefer med-surg in a hospital. Love the teamwork on my floor. We have the best team, the RNs,LPNs,and CNAs all work together. Never got that in LTC. I'm sure there are great LTC facilities out there but this one I was at, WOW. Not good. Did not want to risk my license.
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No. 23
Old Jun 16, 2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Melinurse View Post
Well, there was a sweet, quiet lady who just sat around in her wheelchair she did not talk much, always looked and acted lethargic. She was taking digoxin twice daily. So I watched the med aide take the apical pulse and give the med. I asked afterward what was her heart rate. Amazingly she calmly replies 50. The RN did not look worried either. The RN said, " Oh, she always runs low like that."

Depending on the doctor and patient, our cut-off was 50 or 60. And, frankly, the problem here wasn't the aide. It was the nurse.
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No. 24
from BradleyRN
Old Jun 16, 2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by txspadequeen921 View Post
Ever pass medications to 30 to 40 residents, do treatments on 10 patients, do all your skilled charting on 15 people and provide hospice care to 5 dying patients while being short 2 CNA's...then you will be grate full for a CMA....
You have the right and obligation to the well being of your patients to refuse any assignment you feel to be unsafe. There are numerous staffing agencies out there that can send CNA's and nurses right away with a simple phone call. The more you work short, the more money your facility makes. As the stories in this thread prove, advocating for medication aides leaves great potential for risk of harm to the patients that we have sworn to protect. Nursing home reform is greatly needed, but this is going in the opposite direction!
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No. 25
from Melinurse
Old Jun 16, 2008, 10:15 PM

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This happened at begining of shift my first day on this unit before knowing any of the pts. But like I said, the RN was not concerned. I later read the MAR which states not to give if AP less than 60. If I'd known this patient was getting digoxin and/or the med-aide was going to give it anyway without telling the RN first about the heart rate, I would have stopped her.
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No. 26
Old Jun 16, 2008, 10:25 PM

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Boy you must have it good...Most nursing homes I have ever been at don't use staffing agencies. I have been a agency nurse however and spent my time going back and forth from a selected few in my area ( which is a big area). The more you use agency the more your facility looses and since agency nurses are so very expensive they are not as widely used in LTC as one may think....I will agree nursing home reform is greatly needed ...


Originally Posted by BradleyRN View Post
You have the right and obligation to the well being of your patients to refuse any assignment you feel to be unsafe. There are numerous staffing agencies out there that can send CNA's and nurses right away with a simple phone call. The more you work short, the more money your facility makes. As the stories in this thread prove, advocating for medication aides leaves great potential for risk of harm to the patients that we have sworn to protect. Nursing home reform is greatly needed, but this is going in the opposite direction!
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No. 27
Old Jun 16, 2008, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Melinurse View Post
This happened at begining of shift my first day on this unit before knowing any of the pts. But like I said, the RN was not concerned. I later read the MAR which states not to give if AP less than 60. If I'd known this patient was getting digoxin and/or the med-aide was going to give it anyway without telling the RN first about the heart rate, I would have stopped her.
You did tell the RN and she shrugged it off.
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No. 28
from BradleyRN
Old Jun 16, 2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Melinurse View Post
So I watched the med aide take the apical pulse and give the med. I asked afterward what was her heart rate. Amazingly she calmly replies 50. The RN did not look worried either. The RN said, " Oh, she always runs low like that." I told the med-aide she was never ever to pass any cardiac meds for me. She then said " What does digoxin have to do with the heart?"
Originally Posted by Suesquatch View Post
the problem here wasn't the aide. It was the nurse.
I would have to say that the aide was a big problem as well. If that pt was in her room, the nurses may have never even seen this discrepancy. Melinurse was completely aware that the reason she "always runs low like that" and always acted lethargic, was likely because she needed her dosage lowered. The RN was definitely at fault, partly for his/her faith in the medication aide, because for the aide not to know that digoxin is a cardiac med in the first place, and thus why she was taking the apical pulse, only substantiates why 75% of the voters so far believe that medication aides should not exist. The severe lack of knowledge makes it an unsafe practice.
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No. 29
from aloha551
Old Jun 19, 2008, 04:24 PM

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I live in a city with many large hospitals and too few nurses. Med aides were tried here several years ago and it was a very big failure. The Attorneys loved it and the hospitals paid dearly. Personally I think it's a great mistake and a very dangerous practice. Meds are constantly changing and it is difficult for us to keep up with sometimes let alone a person who took a short course. It's also not fair to them, to give them a job that they aren't qualified to do.
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