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No. 140
from tishirajan
Old Jun 27, 2009, 07:02 PM

Default Re: Should medication aides exist?
I have to agree with the fact that I think there shouldn't be med aides. Sorry, but I have worked with several in LTC and all they do is pass meds and do notes and act like they know it all and refuse to help if you ask them. The ones I worked with thought that just because they were no longer CNAs then their S*** didn't stink. I have yet to work with one worth their salt.

I'm from Texas and like TheCommuter said, they always refer everyone to the nurse anyway. Even though they treat the aides like they know it all. Very annoying and frustrating. Just my
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No. 141
Old Jun 27, 2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tnbutterfly View Post
Tennessee just passed legislation to allow certified medication technicians. You can see the bill here with the requirements to become a medication aide as well as the scope of practice.

I am very much opposed to this. My dad was in an ALF in FL that had medication aides. He was not given his BP meds for almost a week because they "ran out". He provided his own meds from a mail delivery pharmacy because of his insurance. He was also on dialysis. Who knows how many meds he actually missed. But they were not worried. I had to arrange to get his meds from a local pharmacy until his mail order supply arrived. Oh.......and they lost a large amount of his medication that he brought with him from home when he was admitted.

I know there is a nursing shortage, but..............
I read the site you provided and find it interesting. At least they are asking for 400 some odd hours in training; the ones here in New York only do a few weeks, approximately 80 hours. Scary...
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No. 142
from MBurgeRN
Old Jun 27, 2009, 11:56 PM

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NO! Never! Med aides? What? I'm a new grad. but yall I have worked hard to get my licensure. I got valuable. . .dare I say. . . irreplacable training (though so much more comes with actual work experience) about signs, symptoms, side effects, contraindications, and administration of meds. How could I ever trust my license, my family's financial support, my life. . .LET ALONE the LIFE of MY Patients to unlicensed personel.
It starts with training unlicensed ppl to do meds next it will be procedures before you know it they won't be hiring nurse's for nursing jobs. . . . they will hire 2 ppl to do a nurse's job and still come out cheaper for the company all the while compromising patient care to save a buck. NOT WORTH IT! GIVE ME ANOTHER NURSE or I WILL JUST HAVE TO DO IT MYSELF! I didn't get into this profession to compromise my patients. . . We are here to help no one said it would be easy.
As nurse's we have to stand together to protect our jobs. . . AND out patients.
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No. 143
from pawashrn
Old Jul 03, 2009, 07:52 AM

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I'll play devil's advocate. Med Aides if properly trained and the hospital takes on their legal coverage, go to it. Most standard hospital floors (gen. med/surg- cardiac- ob) the patients get the same medication over and over. therefore, it becomes routine.
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No. 144
from BradleyRN
Old Jul 03, 2009, 10:12 AM
Updated Jul 08, 2009 at 11:23 PM by NRSKarenRN

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Originally Posted by pawashrn View Post
Med Aides if properly trained and the hospital takes on their legal coverage, go to it.
Med Aides are not allowed in hospitals. They are only allowed in long term care. Therein demonstrates the fact that their capacity so so limited, that only defenseless vulnerable people who can barely tell this fact should be subject to their substandard care.
Maybe one day they will come up with "Assessment Aides".

CERTAINLY THE EDIT OF THIS POST HAS CHANGED IT'S ENTIRE MEANING....MAYBE ONE DAY THEY WILL COME UP WITH ASSESSMENT AIDE'S, AND ALL OF US NURSES CAN JUST GO ON HOME.
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No. 145
from pawashrn
Old Jul 03, 2009, 09:09 PM
Updated Jul 08, 2009 at 11:24 PM by NRSKarenRN

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Due to the advancement in medicine assessment aides already exist. They're called monitors, dopplers, ultrasounds, xrays. So, I think I'll stay. Because someone has to be there to put the assessed information into a definitive cohesive informative format to be further assessed and diagnosed by a physician. I am sure you mean well.
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No. 146
from arelle68
Old Jul 03, 2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by calliesue View Post
Sorry gotta disagree. Maybe not in hospitals but in ltc when I have had up to 36 pts I was glad to have a med aide.
I got work for two of 'em. Bring 'em on!
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No. 147
Old Jul 05, 2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Melinurse View Post
NO NO NO!!!! Med aides don't get trained to citically think!!! They just blindly pass the meds. LPN's or RN's should be the only ones passing medications. Even in LTC facilities. LTC needs more nurses though. No nurse should have to take 36 patients, ever. Even if the patients are " stable ". There are just too many variables for me to trust a med-aide with my license.( no matter how long the med-aide has been there) It only takes one time, one error in judgement to do the damage.
Completely agree...

My take on it is that the patient or the patient's family may have questions or concerns about the medication taken.

What should I do? ...stand there and say duh.. I don't know know.. perhaps it's your birth control pills or something??

Not appropriate patient care in my opinion...

I would rather position, ambulate and feed patients or empty Foley's and tell funny jokes in the process of my work. I wasn't exactly trained about medications, their contraindications, reactions, or other similar potential harm they may do. Nor am I a registered pharmacist for that matter.

Basically, if I wanted to give meds to patients as part of my job, I would have gone to school to learn about medications. The only medication they teach us anything about is insulin. This is not an appropriate education for the function they wish us to perform.

If you are in a position you need extra hands to give out meds, tell the admin to hire another RN/LPN for this purpose and stop using us for this important function as it should be.

My Best.
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No. 148
Old Jul 05, 2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mimib View Post
I'm a CNA and we have a med tech on every shift. I can't count the times I've walked into a room to see meds sitting on a bedside table or had a med tech say "so-and-so was asleep when I went in so give them their meds when you go in there". and then I have to get the nurse because no way am I administering pills to anyone until I get my RN liscense!
I think overall it's a huge liability- the administrators are giving nursing duties to the techs and then they try to pass off those responsabilities to the aides. I don't think most techs see passing meds as this huge deal- mainly because after a 1 semester class they were able to do it!
I just personally think it's not the best idea.
Exactly....

It is a huge liability whether you are licensed or unlicensed either way you go.

You have no way of knowing if that medication was left there from a previous shift, or if the patient had just been administered the same exact medication under an hour ago... Some "med aides" don't even have the latitude to even think about that fact and may give them to the patient anyways.

They don't teach us anything about medications in school. So naturally, we should have no business giving them to patients. This is a "risky" proposition at best.

Let's face it, they are just using us to save a buck here and there. We need to refuse doing, what we clearly don't know anything about. It's simply not within our scope or job function. Similarly, I wouldn't have my tire changed on my vehicle by a stereo repair person any differently.

This is obviously an RN/LPN shortage issue and it needs to be properly recognized and addressed as such. I fully support the idea we need more licensed nursing staff as the remedy and solution to the problem.
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No. 149
from Mentos
Old Jul 08, 2009, 08:39 PM

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I was a med tech, and if you had asked me this question last year I'd have argued about how much easier CMTs make it on the nurses. BUT Let me share a personal expirience with you guys and hope I don't get flamed!!

My LTC routinely sends it's CNAs to a one semester class, and upon passing said class you are a CMT (certified med tech) and can pass meds. BUT they send more people than they need CMTs so they always have someone to call if they need a CMT. As a result, sometimes the CMT on the med cart hasn't passed meds in quite a while. Within 3 months of starting this job, I went to CMT school. I trained for 1 week on the cart after passing the class, but there were no full time positions as a CMT so I continued to work as aide. One day I got called in to work the cart (I had probably worked it 5 times or so in 4 months). I was cocky, no problem, passing pills was easy. Until I almost gave a resident a BP med...as he was bottoming out! I didn't understand the phisilogical aspect of passing meds. Thank god for the nurse who was around and stopped me from giving the pill. I was ashamed of myself. It's not that I was trying to hurt anyone, I was just ignorant. I never worked the cart again and let my CMT liscense lapse. I will never pass another pill until I am an RN.

If we keep letting CMTs pass pills blindly, the residents will suffer. And they are blind in the sense that they are taught little about drug effects with medical conditions, different reasons you shouldn't pass a med, etc... I know-i passed the class. We were taught major med groups and little else.

Please don't get to mad at me, I was naive and I have MORE than learned my lesson! I just thought some insight from someone who was a med tech would be helpful to the debate.
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