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No. 30
from lpnflorida
Old Sep 12, 2008, 05:42 PM

Default Re: Should Continuing Education for Nurses be mandatory in all states?
Originally Posted by love.a.nurse View Post
I was surprised when I learned that nurses were not required to complete continuing education requirements in order to stay licensed. As a medic I was required to complete mandtory hours of continuing ed in order to keep my certification, it would only seem logical that nurses have the same requirement. Without continuing ed, how do our nurses keep up to date, and how do healthcare facilities ensure that the nurses they are hiring are accurately trained and current with new procedures, policies, meds, etc.....?
Nurses have always done CEU's whether they are mandated by State Board of Nursing or not. Some states madate how many have to be completed each licensure period for renewal and some states do not.
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No. 31
from Saturnalia
Old Sep 17, 2008, 07:01 AM

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I think Continuing Education is good for ANY field!
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No. 32
from cocutza
Old Sep 17, 2008, 10:21 PM

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Yes, it's true, Continuing Education it's necessary for being a good nurse. But.....mandatory!!!??? for keeping our licensure?? I don't know...I'm working in a geriatric universitary institut and my employer gave us manny formations classes for free but isn't mandatory.If you are a good nurse and you want keep you up-date, you like to learn .if not....you will sleep during the classes. For this nurses ...is necessary to be mandatory Continuing Education. I hope that are not manny nurses like that.By By
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No. 33
Old Oct 01, 2008, 05:43 PM

Default Re: Should Continuing Education for Nurses be mandatory in all states?
Thank you Brian!
I think continuing education should be mandatory in ALL states. I feel and believe strongly in evidenced based continuing education. Education that truly demonstrates LEARNING; not simply passing a test.

(For example: a nurse could pass a test with a 75% C level but yet miss 25% of the questions. Yes, he/she has demonstrated competency based on "passing the test"; however what if the 25% of questions missed where crucial to the life of a patient?

Making continuing education a requirement also keeps nurses in the "lifelong learning mode".
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No. 34
Old Oct 01, 2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by skrnypa View Post
I hope you re-think letting the certification go-
try the on-line ceu's- like with MedScape.

Sounds good; Medscape does provides a wonderful array of Continuing Education programs;that meet the need for CE's...but not necessarily specific to the specialty the nurse may be practicing.

When was the last time you took at continuing education class that was SPECIFIC to your field of practice? Most nurses simply take continuing education classes for the sake of accumulating the required CE units; and not in relation to their direct practice. Thereby, the DO meet the re-licensure requirements---but may not have gained knowledge in line with their specific specialty. I like ANA's Certification process and their built in CE requirements.
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No. 35
Old Oct 01, 2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by murphybear View Post
It should never be manadated as there is too much big business out there to make money off it. Professional responsibility yes, but the concept of MANDATORY gives me the shivers.
Professional reponsibility--gives me the shivers...it sounds like you want to leave it up to the individual????

So then, how do you get people (nurses) to take continuing education programs to keep up with their profession UNLESS you make it a mandatory requirement for re-licensure?

One of the definitions of a professional in the M-W dictionary is: a skilled practitioner; an expert. HOW does one stay an expert if the continuing education requirements are voluntary???

Wikipedia: comments: A 'true' professional must be proficient in all criteria for the field of work they are practicing professionally in. Criteria include following: Academic qualifications - i.e., university college/institute /Expert and specialized knowledge in field which one is practicing professionally.

The fact of the matter is: MOST people given the option will not reinvest in their profession; so the profession then must mandate requirements for CE.

So, a question for you: YOU are an ICU patient and you have the choice of choosing your nurse.Choose your nurse: no other factors consider except the ones described here:

Nurse #1: Has kept up on Continuing Education in the ICU field he/she has 30 continuing education hours plus an excellent work and performance record. He/she serves as a mentor for new nurses.

Nurse #2. Has NOT kept up on his/her Continuing Education in his/her field; he/she does have continuing education in other areas of nursing. He/she is consider a "good nurse: and has an excellent work and performance record. He/she seems to have lots of experience.

Nurse #3. Is a nurse from a temp agency---her past work performance is not known, but you do know she has NO continuing education in the ICU area.

WHICH nurse would YOU want to care for you?
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No. 36
from cxg174
Old Oct 02, 2008, 04:21 AM

Default Re: Should Continuing Education for Nurses be mandatory in all states?
Under the old system, much of the continuing ed requirements were related to facility certification. For example all hospitals have to do infection control, HIPPA, CPR, fire and safety, disaster training, and training in new equipment, etc. every year- to name a few. JCAHO requirements are stricter yet. Long-term care has their own requirements, drug and alcohol and psych have their own requirements, it goes on and on. So a lot depended on where you worked. In home health we generally had an inservice every month with our staff meetings, in addition to the hospital-wide trainings. I never had a lack of inservices in any area that I have worked in, plus I did things outside of work on my own such as getting a BSN, certificates in nursing admin., train the trainer, MBA, etc. Most nurses are always getting education. It is just that there was no offficial way to track these things other than internally where you work. Now it has to be official CEU's, approved by the board.

So do not assume that we were not getting continuing education before, we were. We just were not tracking it as closely and the requirements were not state-wide, they were practice-specific.
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No. 37
from psychonaut
Old Oct 02, 2008, 01:05 PM

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Just to be controversial...how about mandated recertification every x-number of years (i.e. retaking an nclex-type exam)?

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No. 38
Old Oct 02, 2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by psychonaut View Post
Just to be controversial...how about mandated recertification every x-number of years (i.e. retaking an nclex-type exam)?

Nurse430+yrs
For the most part that sounds like a good idea! However, let's say you are a Cardiology Nurse for 10 years---should you be expected to pass the OB-GYN section? Or should one be required to pass the specific specialty area?
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No. 39
from llg
Old Oct 02, 2008, 04:22 PM

Default Re: Should Continuing Education for Nurses be mandatory in all states?
Originally Posted by nurse430+yrs View Post
So, a question for you: YOU are an ICU patient and you have the choice of choosing your nurse.Choose your nurse: no other factors consider except the ones described here:

Nurse #1: Has kept up on Continuing Education in the ICU field he/she has 30 continuing education hours plus an excellent work and performance record. He/she serves as a mentor for new nurses.

Nurse #2. Has NOT kept up on his/her Continuing Education in his/her field; he/she does have continuing education in other areas of nursing. He/she is consider a "good nurse: and has an excellent work and performance record. He/she seems to have lots of experience.

Nurse #3. Is a nurse from a temp agency---her past work performance is not known, but you do know she has NO continuing education in the ICU area.

WHICH nurse would YOU want to care for you?
nurse430+yrs
Which of the two nurses below would YOU choose?

Nurse #4: She has 10 years of experience and regularly attends inservices, read journals, etc. However, due to financial concerns she has not officially earned CEU's for most of that education. She is, however, considered to be the best nurse in the unit and the other nurses go to her for help and advice. She precepts, acts as Charge Nurse, and represents the unit on the hospital practice committee where she helps to write the policies and procedures used by all. She is considered by her colleagues as the expert in her field.

Nurse #5: She also has 10 years experience and has never attended a national or regional conference and rarely reads professional journals, etc. She does however, pay her money and submits the paperwork for the CEU's those journals provide (after copying the answers from a friend). She rarely does more than the minimal required to avoid getting fired and has a history of frequent medication errors and notes in her file about not practicing according to the updated policies and procedures. But she has those CEU's she paid for ...

My point: Until the system is improved dramatically, CEU's mean very little in determining the quality of care provided by the nurse.
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