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| Advertisement Sponsored Links | | | | No. 82 |
Jul 08, 2009, 12:52 PM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
The thing everyone is missing here is that under Pres. Obama's plan the gov. healthcare plan would be OPTIONAL. If you already have insurance, you keep what you have. I think this is a fantastic option for people who have to decide between taking their medication or eating that month. We have people on this board who are telling us that is their reality and they are getting flamed for it.
My uncle is a truck driver and has a beef farm (his wife takes care of it when he is on the road.) Guess what, no insurance. What a fantastic way for them to get health insurance. You will not find two harder working people in the world, they DESERVE the option to buy affordable health care and not worry about losing everything. To me this is simply a no brainer. Unless ofcourse you have never lived with the uncertainty of tommarow and just don't get it. (I am not talking those of you who were without insurance when you were 21 and in college, I am talking about people, HARD WORKING AMERICANS that are 45, 50, 60 and cannot afford or cannot get insurance.) Seems to me the congressmen who are most vocal about opposing this plan have gov. supplied health insurance and their loved ones are protected. Shame on them all.
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Jul 08, 2009, 01:41 PM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb Originally Posted by ptadvocate81 Just a quick question... I have debated this with my spouse over and over again... We both agree 100% that healthcare should be a right not a privilege. But my question for fellow healthcare workers is this. Would you be for this plan even if it meant that your pay was cut to say $12/hour? It is my belief that there would be cost cuts to support a plan of this nature and I think that pay would be one of those. Just a little something to ponder....
Well we are all in nursing for the love of the job aren't we
This is what I was trying to convey here.There will never be a bottomless pot of money for any UHS, and if people think that nurses lose out compared to Drs then why do they think it would be any different with UHS?
Same with CEOs of hospitals- we were given a 2.5% pay rise this year, negotiated (ha ha) by our useless unions.Our CEO got a 30% pay rise-and this is in a public funded system.UHS is no Nirvana and I think that many who say they want the system would be apalled at our hospitals,staffing levels and pay.
There was a post some where from someone who had gone to see a Dr in Sweden whilst visiting relatives.They were suffering from diarrhoea and had a fever.They were apalled that there was no blood work and they were sent away being told it was a virus. Yup-sounds about right. In a UHS you will not get bloods done -they are saving their money for the patients with multiple risk factors for CVD,asthma,diabetics and a multitude of other things that the government has set targets for.Unforunately you don't feature. I would love to know how many people each year are wrongly diagnosed by their GPs crystal ball as having Irritable bowel or UTIs. Originally Posted by misswoosie But even in a UHS those that work and pay contributions (ours are about 7% plus the employer pays about another 7%)
the people who pay are still paying for those who don't ie those who don't work or claim benefits, or work without paying tax and contributions becasue they don't declare the work and work for cash in hand.
There will always be compromises for a UHS and I think a large part of the spending in healthcare in the US goes on hospitals and state of the art technology-which can't be said for here in the UK.
Depends if people want to compromise on access to investigations and treatment, salaries for those who work in healthcare and hospital facilities, cleanliness and age. Of course you may end up with a far better system than ours, but remember, nurses in the US are among the best paid in the world. | | No. 84 |
Jul 08, 2009, 01:51 PM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
Again, you all keep saying Universal Health Care. That isn't what is being proposed. A government option to BUY insurance. There are people out there who cannot get insurance due to preexisting conditions and excesive cost. That is NOT fair. I would not want UHC, I do want everyone who wants insurance the ability to BUY it without fear of not eating.
How many of you went to college on a FEDERAL subsidized student loan? How many GI's in the 50's were able to buy homes because of a government sponsered program that gave them low interest loans. Yes, we have a big government. But that is a fact of life, it isn't going to change. At least with our new administration I don't have the fear that my government is protecting me by torturing others. I am hoping and praying out Americans overseas no longer have the fear of the CIA listening in on their conversations.
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Jul 08, 2009, 02:44 PM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
Regarding the public plan cost. If all 40 million without health insurance would sign up the policy holder base would be so huge, the cost (and therefore the premiums/copayments) would be much less than today. Also, there would be no profit involved, saving more - and all those collecting medicaid (from state coffers) would be transferred to this public plan. If the quality of health increased in the general population - would more people work? Hopefully someone smarter than me (that includes about anyone) can figure this out.
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Jul 08, 2009, 03:58 PM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb Originally Posted by ShayRN Again, you all keep saying Universal Health Care. That isn't what is being proposed. A government option to BUY insurance. There are people out there who cannot get insurance due to preexisting conditions and excesive cost. That is NOT fair. I would not want UHC, I do want everyone who wants insurance the ability to BUY it without fear of not eating.
How many of you went to college on a FEDERAL subsidized student loan? How many GI's in the 50's were able to buy homes because of a government sponsered program that gave them low interest loans. Yes, we have a big government. But that is a fact of life, it isn't going to change. At least with our new administration I don't have the fear that my government is protecting me by torturing others. I am hoping and praying out Americans overseas no longer have the fear of the CIA listening in on their conversations.
How is a government option to buy insurance any different from us paying 6.5% of our salary towards our UHC?
Doesn't really matter what name you give the system. I didn't say it was fair that some people didn't have access to health care-I was pointing out that a government run scheme will ration care and resources and may lead to cuts in wages,facilities and technology.
Or maybe you think their will be a 2 tier system, 1 for those that have good healthcare insurance and a government run one for those who cannot afford other insurance? If this is the case I can imagine which hospitals will pay the highest wages,staffing levels, shortest wait times and the best technology.
I wonder where most people will chose to work?
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Jul 08, 2009, 07:16 PM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
I cannot get health insurance due to pre existing conditions. The only time that I have ever had adequate healthcare was when I was on disability. I choose to go off of disability and go back to work. I know many people on disability who could work but don't due to the fact that they would lose their health care. Funny some of them are RN's with severe back problems. I would like affordable and available health care. Right now it is neither for me. The key word is affordable. I don't expect free but affordable. Right now health insurance if I could get it would cost one-half of my monthly income before taxes. That's not affordable.
I'm nearly 50 and I've never had a mammogram, I've only had two pap smears, and I have had very few medical screenings that are not related to my current medical issues. I tell my friends, that if I get cancer I'm just going to have to die as I certainly could never afford the chemo, radiation, or surgery. Same goes with a heart attack or stroke. Only the insured or the wealthy can afford medical care in this country. For the rest of us it's unavailable.
Fuzzy
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Jul 08, 2009, 09:18 PM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb Originally Posted by Fuzzy I cannot get health insurance due to pre existing conditions. The only time that I have ever had adequate healthcare was when I was on disability. I choose to go off of disability and go back to work. I know many people on disability who could work but don't due to the fact that they would lose their health care. Funny some of them are RN's with severe back problems. I would like affordable and available health care. Right now it is neither for me. The key word is affordable. I don't expect free but affordable. Right now health insurance if I could get it would cost one-half of my monthly income before taxes. That's not affordable.
I'm nearly 50 and I've never had a mammogram, I've only had two pap smears, and I have had very few medical screenings that are not related to my current medical issues. I tell my friends, that if I get cancer I'm just going to have to die as I certainly could never afford the chemo, radiation, or surgery. Same goes with a heart attack or stroke. Only the insured or the wealthy can afford medical care in this country. For the rest of us it's unavailable.
Fuzzy
My daughter is a nursing assistant/nursing student. She is covered under my insurance until age 25, but she could afford her own insurance through her employer. She makes 10.50/hr. I keep her on my policy because she is eligible. My point is, she is self-supporting on 10.50/hr and she can afford a decent plan that her employer offers. One of her friends doesn't pay for her employer plan because she chooses to have cable internet/BlackBerry instead. These kids are not wealthy.
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