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No. 70
Old Jul 05, 2009, 08:42 PM
Updated Jul 05, 2009 at 08:56 PM by lamazeteacher

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Originally Posted by ACU_RN View Post
Change in health care is needed, but not by mortgaging the future of our children. Those who support "universal health care" are not looking ahead to the cost of this endeavor.
Why is the government tackling this problem to begin with? Our government has its sticky fingers in nearly every aspect of our lives. I don't want higher taxes which will happen with universal health care, regardless of what the messiah says. I don't want the government anywhere close to health care. I want the government to do what its founders gave it permission to do, not a whole lot of anything.
I enboldened words that I'd like to address in this reply. Your concern about the children's money is well intentioned, but not applicable to health care costs. When health insurance is tied to one's employment, that affects your salary (employers tack their costs for your premiums for health insurance to your salary, when setting that). So the amount your "insurance" will cost is already taken from you, and will come from the additional 5% taxed those who earn more than $250,000/year. In the "universal" plan, the enormous profits made by the health insurance companies whose many CEOs make obscene amounts, aren't added. The reason the employer hospitals, etc. like things this way, is because they can deduct your insurance premiums as a "business costs", from their profit. They also deduct bonuses for their administrators in the same way. You don't get to deduct anything! (Unless your medical costs exceed 7.5% of your income.) Most younger employees haven't high costs like that.

President Obama is "tackling this problem" because his mother became a victim of the current system before she died, and he realized that overblown profits of doctors, hospitals (even when they say they're non profit) and pharmaceutical and DME products are not in accord with what the founders of our country intended for its citizens and residents. He worked in South Chicago and observed the health needs of its people that went unheeded. We are paying much more for the health care of those who can't get early preventive care, and wind up being hospitalized and needing procedures that might have been avoided.

Think patients with DM who lose their lower extremities, due to avoidable infections turned gangrenous, procedures now done that aren't really necessary (I was scheduled for a knee replacement by a retiring orthopedic surgeon, when a knee band has stopped my knee pain for 10 years). The number of CABGs was ridiculous when surgeons competed to see how many vessels they could bypass, in little time, until the government agency stepped in and stopped that.

I certainly don't regard him as "the messiah", because he is working as hard as anyone else in his government, to make things happen that will benefit all of us. He wrote his own books while in school and shortly afterward, without any suggestion of having us regard him as anyone but a human being with goals other than lining his own bank account and pockets. I see him as trying to live with his family in the midst of a maelstrom of media, oppositional factions, and disbelievers.

Government has been and will continue to be close to your health care, (especially as we age). It required that you have immunizations before attending school. It demanded fair housing and employment practises, unemployment insurance, and retirement programs to keep you sheltered, fed and clothed when your own resources ran out. Past leaders of our country allowed inroads by fraudulent companies and health practitioners to rob the money set aside for older people's healthcare. Now the armed forces have soldiers whose job it is to make sure that contractors don't receive government contracts to repay favors (I met one young woman who gets competitive bids for those now, at the July 4 picnic to which I went).

President Kennedy said, "Think not of what your country can do for you.....". President Obama is thinking of what your country hears and sees that you need and deserve, to be healthy because you're part of it! Just because all of the things that are wrong with it haven't been corrected in his forst 6 months in office, is not a reason to think it won't happen. Patience is a virtue. Trust goes both ways.
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No. 71
from ACU_RN
Old Jul 05, 2009, 11:13 PM

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Also, Kennedy and Obama are worlds apart. Kennedy would be a Republican in today's political climate.
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No. 72
from dlatimer
Old Jul 06, 2009, 11:51 AM

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I think a public plan would be a way to keep the for-profit and not-for-profit hospitals/corporations/insurers honest. I also think it is only one part of the problem with healthcare, especially hospitalizations. Hospitals used to be structured to supply care. Now, it seems, it is for profit and that has led to other health problems. This article by Paul Oneil is spot on.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/06/op...html?th&emc=th

my 1.3 cents worth
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No. 73
Old Jul 06, 2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by K98 View Post
You may be right, but we have some seriously disillusioned Obama supporters in our family. Didn't get the hope and change they wanted. Even a recent college grad knows that one can't spend one's way out of a fiscal crisis. How much was that national health care going to cost???
I have the hope that President Obama will take positive steps to reform health care. As for how much it will cost to reform health care. It will cost less in national treasure than this war in Iraq cost that the previous administration put this country in.
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No. 74
Old Jul 06, 2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ACU_RN View Post
We are all assuming that health care is a right guaranteed to us, which it is not. I would ask that you please read the Constitution of the United States and see what the role of the federal government is supposed to be. Then look at the size of the current federal government and the power it wields.
You are right it does not guarantee us any such right in the constitution. But then it also does not give anyone the right of and education but the vast majority of us believe that every child is entitled to an education which we support with our taxes as we should. Not too long ago in our countries history women and african americans were not allowed to vote. We as a country corrected that wrong just as I pray we as a nation will correct the wrong of our health care system.
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No. 75
Old Jul 06, 2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ACU_RN View Post
Also, Kennedy and Obama are worlds apart. Kennedy would be a Republican in today's political climate.
Kennedy and Obama are worlds apart? I think not. John Kennedy in his 1000 days in office increased the minimum wage, created the Peace Corps, obtained better Social Security benefits, passed an urban renewal package, fought for civil rights and used diplomacy before war.
John Kennedy knew the importance of dialogue with our adversaries. Sure looks like the same things we Democrats including President Obama still support.
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No. 76
from D.R.A.
Old Jul 06, 2009, 03:41 PM

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I am not even the tiniest bit confident that government can provide fair and balanced healthcare if it's mandated........on the other hand I am neither a pessimist or an optimist.....I am a realist. Always willing to listen and consider any plan they put out there before making a decision.
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No. 77
from elkpark
Old Jul 07, 2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jmgrn65 View Post
Our system isn't perfect far from it. But at least anyone can get access to healthcare. Emergency rooms can't turn away people.
I hear people say this all the time, and it simply isn't true. Hospital EDs are required, by federal law, to stabilize emergency conditions. That's it. They are not required to treat anything that isn't an emergency. Until recently, most hospital EDs have treated everyone just to protect against making a "wrong call" and ending up in court later, but more and more hospitals are starting to balk at this and turn people away, refer them to urgent care clinics, etc. for non-emergencies.

And they are certainly not required to treat even emergencies for free. Hospitals routinely turn bills over to collection agencies and take people to court to get paid, if there is any money or assets to be taken. This is how even middle-class families who (mistakenly) thought they had good insurance (just because they'd paid all those premiums all those years, HAHA) wind up in bankruptcy court over catastrophic medical bills every day in this country.
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No. 78
from dlatimer
Old Jul 07, 2009, 04:39 PM

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ACU.....I am totally against 'feeding on the government', mostly because the government is us. On the other hand, if we could trust the captains of capitalism, then we wouldn't need government regulation at all. The greedier, more corrupt the are, the more we need government regulation. In economic models the government is the regulator and protector of the worker, otherwise the producers would continue to lower wages, force us to buy all our products from them and lobby for increased taxes for their subsidies. Are you familiar with Adam Smith, John Galbreath, W. Edwards Demings?
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No. 79
from AZ_RN2B
Old Jul 07, 2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe V View Post
Our health care system hurts everyone. Premiums are expensive and increasing every year. Doing nothing today will cost taxpayers 2-3 times more in the next few years.

Currently, the "public option" is the biggest obstacle when it comes to health care reform. Many believe that it will be the end of health care as we know it today - others think that it is long overdue.

Would you support a public health care option?

Yes, I would support a public health care option, for those who could not afford the cost of coverage on their own. My wife and I would not qualify for such a program because we have excellent health care and insurance where we work now (we both work for a hospital) but we both believe that no one should be shut out of the healthcare system because they lack money. I'm willing to see more of my tax dollar go to this - I have no problem with it.

Concerning that little poll with the three choices: I put down yes, I support it, but that doesn't mean I don't care how it's set up - of course I do - all of us do. Having the the third choice "depends on how it's structured, etc." appears to be an attempt to "water down" the "yesses" somewhat - maybe that wasn't the intent, buttt ....... I am going to count response #3's as a "yes"....
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