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| No. 20 |
Jun 29, 2009, 08:08 AM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
I feel that if the insurance companies, government and lawyers would stay out of health care then it would be available and affordable for most people. Oh I'm not covered by insurance because pre-existing conditions make very unaffordable and available to me. So yes I go without health care for the most part.
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Jun 29, 2009, 09:29 AM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb Originally Posted by JoPACURN I think that healthcare reform SHOULD BE DONE; but not by government bureaucrats whose only true reason for doing this is for votes.
I say give it back to the people in the front line--the healthcare provider.
Ditto!
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Jun 29, 2009, 05:20 PM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb Originally Posted by JoPACURN
I will support as long as I don't have to have it--or am forced to have it, that is. I want a choice and I'm not willing to be put on a "list" to for tests. No way. I'm reminded, reading the above, of an ad for something that had the jingle, "Have it your way, have it your way......" I guess you live in a large enough community now, to be able to have immediate availability for MRIs, IVPs, etc. Have you a choice of any physician in any part of the USA now, with your health insurance, without paying more for "out of area" physicians?
My personal friends (docs of different specialties) say that they won't participate if it causes them problems. Some of them don't take medicare or medicaid now; and if my GP gets overwhelmed by it, well then I look for a GP who takes only private insurance. Doctors also have had it their way for all their professional lives, since graduating medical school and completing whatever residency they chose (for which they qualified and which had space for them). Recently, however, they've been told by insurance companies, what meds, procedures, tests, and procedures their patients can have, based on financial reasons, rather than health of their patients. There are plenty of problems with the current way insurance companies cause unemployment of older employees, charging exorbitant premiums for those over 55 years of age, with subsequent lack of availability at an "affordable" cost, of other health insurance, especially when an existing illness is on board....... Uninsured patients have no source of care currently, other than ERs which don't treat them except to stabilize their condition and hoist them out. That is very costly for taxpayers now - you, me, and everyone else who pays taxes. I was recently in an ER lying there for 2 hours without being seen by any HCW, having been transported by ambulance with GI hemorrhaging. The charge for that was $5,000. My history given by the EMTs, was taken by the triage nurse (although uncharted), included my past episodes of GI bleeding, inability to stand that day due to weakness and dizziness, etc. I'm on Medicare, so that was more costly (for taxpayers) than it would have been if a CBC had been ordered, blood drawn, and results in within a half hour, with the transfusions given that afternoon. Then I could have gone home, instead of being admitted for 3 days during which my regular medications weren't available. A home health nurse could have drawn the next CBC, to see how much more bleeding happened, rather than having more expensive (than having it done at the same place as an outpatient) hospital ones done. Doctors historically have been unaware of the costs of such things, and therefore have been ordered, by insurance companies regarding the possibility of getting everything from diagnostic tests to treatment and procedures indicated, based on costs. Why are they so resistant to having doctors working for our elected government, doing that, instead of nurses hired by insurance companies making huge profits, with strict directions/guidelines to which adherence is mandatory, dictating care for the past 5 decades, at least?
I'm not willing to compromise my family nor me for the government's mandates. Do you really prefer private, profit making insurance companies compromising your family's health, at great expense? They've been courting doctors and hospitals and pharmaceutical companies, often hiring the same lobbyists for similar goals. Think about that, and what would happen if that continued...... | | No. 23 |
Jun 29, 2009, 07:29 PM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
There is no place in the Constitution that allows or states that heathcare is a the job of goverment . With that being said I think we should look very careful at the numbers the Congress has never been able to manage in any way Heathcare MCaid and Mcare are both so far in the red that we will never live long enough to see them even close to breaking even. I hope that people will look and the numbers, no country has been able to keep paying for it all as Dear Leader Obama would like us to belive that the goverment is going to do, all I ask is when I come to you in the ed and let you know that our new goverment healthcare that you are going to be forced to be a part of that everyone wants that the MRI or CT or PET scan that might give the Dr the info they need to save your life is not part of the goverment plan and you do not quilify for it.........sorry.
| | No. 24 |
Jun 29, 2009, 08:34 PM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb when I come to you in the ed and let you know that our new goverment healthcare that you are going to be forced to be a part of that everyone wants that the MRI or CT or PET scan that might give the Dr the info they need to save your life is not part of the goverment plan and you do not quilify for it.........sorry. These days the only people who are going to refuse you the tests that you need are the private insurance companies. I have lived for years in a country with universal health care, and I can tell you the massive misinformation that is being disseminated about it here. Under UHC, I NEVER had to wait more than 1 day to see a GP, and you aren't "forced" into anything. I had my choice of physicians, and all my prescriptions were free. Other countries have both a private and a public option. Although everyone is covered under public healthcare, you can chose to have private insurance if you want (and it only costs a fraction of what it costs here and they aren't allowed to refuse coverage for anything).
If private insurance actually paid for healthcare instead of spending millions refusing to pay for care, then it might work. Imagine if you went to a restaurant, ordered a full meal, paid for the meal before you received it, and then the waiter told you that the chef would only give you a salad, even though you had already paid for a steak dinner. Would you go back to that restaurant? That is what private health insurance companies are doing now.
Then if a restaurant opened that actually gave you all that you ordered and paid for, then the other restaurants would have to shape up or close down. That is UHC. And most physicians in UHC countries work both publicly and privately, so there isn't a difference in practitioner. What it would do is reduce the astronomical cost of healthcare by eliminating the "pay game", the doctor wants to get $100 for a procedure, so he charges the insurance co. $500 so that they will pay him his $100.
| | No. 25 |
Jun 29, 2009, 09:56 PM
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Jul 13, 2009 at 07:56 PM by VivaLasViejas
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
Socialism means cooperative and joint ownership of means of production and distribution of goods by the government and the people. Have any of you who suggest this studied politics, world history or economics? Have you traveled to other countries? It would be really nice to actually have a discussion with learned, informed individuals.
By the way, the constitution does make a reference to health (welfare) in the very first line:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
It is beyond selfish to not consider the welfare of those who are living in poverty, facing illness without proper treatment or financial ruin due to lack of health insurance. As nurses, we should be supportive of any law, regulation, ordinance or norm that improves health and wellness for ALL.
| | No. 26 |
Jun 29, 2009, 11:25 PM
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Jun 29, 2009 at 11:26 PM by lamazeteacher
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
"It is beyond selfish to not consider the welfare of those who are living in poverty, facing illness without proper treatment or financial ruin due to lack of health insurance. As nurses, we should be supportive of any law, regulation, ordinance or norm that improves health and wellness for ALL. " Quote from post#25 by indys mom
May I echo your statement over and over again? I agree, billions-fold with your reply!  If it was possible to put that many clapping smilies here, I would!
| | No. 27 |
Jun 30, 2009, 09:28 AM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
Here are the words of Bernie Sanders, an Independent, on the Senate Health Committee, 6/30/09: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-be..._b_222510.html
The rampant fraud is another reason why our current health care system, dominated by private insurance companies, is the most costly, wasteful, complicated and bureaucratic in the world. Its function is not to provide quality health care, but to make huge profits for those who own the companies. With 1,300 private insurance companies and thousands of different health benefit programs designed to maximize profits, our country spends an incredible 30 percent of each health care dollar on administration and billing, exorbitant CEO compensation packages, advertising, lobbying and campaign contributions. Public programs like Medicare, Medicaid and the VA are administered for much less.
| | No. 28 |
Jun 30, 2009, 11:37 AM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb Originally Posted by mariposabella You people have no idea what the gov't is up to.
And, pray tell, what special insight into "what the gov't is up to" do you have that the rest of us don't??? Is it perhaps because I'm not listening to Rush or watching Faux News that I'm so uninformed? I do make an effort to follow the news and stay informed through a variety of legitimate news sources, but maybe that's not good enough ...
| | No. 29 |
Jun 30, 2009, 07:21 PM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb Originally Posted by elkpark And, pray tell, what special insight into "what the gov't is up to" do you have that the rest of us don't??? Is it perhaps because I'm not listening to Rush or watching Faux News that I'm so uninformed? I do make an effort to follow the news and stay informed through a variety of legitimate news sources, but maybe that's not good enough ...
And what, pray tell, do you consider legitimate news sources? CBS (proven fabricators), NBC (Nothing But Crap), or Obombas lap dogs, ABC? Everyone in healthcare does not agree with the views of the left. Be responsible for yourself. Life is not fair, and we don't need the government to "level the playing field". I just looked at my pocket constitution and could not find the "Right to Free Healthcare" anywhere. Fix what is wrong with the system, don't turn it over to the government. You want to live in France/Canada/UK? Move.
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