Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb

I do not know a single physician at the hospital in which I work who supports this. Nor do I know a single RN that does either. Only on this forum, the usual media outlets and our liberal elitist are wanting this.

Oh yeah: Does anyone want to go into the funeral business with me? I.E. buy land for graves or just start a chain of funeral homes. I got this feeling business will get really good in this area if this socialized heathcare passes.

Is it still considered discharge AMA, when it's the hospital that's kicking the patient out, due to lack of health care insurance or sufficient resources?

Have you said that discharge AMA could be due to a hospital closing? Discharge Planners should place patients in similar facilities if that is indicated, and the hospital where they are, is closing? Or if the hospital laid off staff and hasn't anyone to care for them?........

WASHINGTON- Two of President Barack Obama's economic heavyweights said middle-class taxes might have to go up to pare budget deficits or to payhe proposed overhaul of the nation's health care system.


The tough talk from Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and National Economic Council Director Lawrence Summers on Sunday capped a week that brought rare good news for the economy: The worst recession in the United States since World War II could be on the verge of ending. Even so, officials appeared willing to extend unemployment benefits.

Originally Posted by jdub3

"I do not know a single physician at the hospital in which I work who supports this. Nor do I know a single RN that does either. Only on this forum, the usual media outlets and our liberal elitist are wanting this."

Well, this R.N., P.H.N. is for the revision of health care bill. It is on the web http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-171409pdf That site has 1,038 pages of it. I'm not sure why it's been said that there are 6,500 pages........

I'd like you to read it, before stating your opinion of it. There has been such vociferous objection to it by those in health care who profess to have patients' interests at heart, that I can only guess they haven't read it. I agree that the members of Congress need to read things about which they vote.

It would certainly help to advance that practise, if citizens checked up on that essential function of our representatives, by reading the way they vote "on the hill", which is published in newspapers weekly when the houses are in session. Then you could write to them to offer your opinion about their vote, citing specific things in the bill you support or oppose. That could be an eye opener for those who might not have read those bills.

It doesn't help the credibility, of those with strong opinions they voice loudly, if they don't read the bills they criticize. Of course doctors don't like it! They'll not be paid $1,000 (for an endoscopy or colonoscopy, as stated in the bill Medicare got for mine) for 15 minutes of work, as they wish to be, now.

Insurance companies go along with their high charges, to keep them as allies, so they stay in business. The government will pay them according to Medicare pay guidelines, and that's $658. instead of $1,000 - not bad for 15 minutes' work, I think.
Then the amount that the doctors aren't paid, is noted as "portion not compensated", and they deduct it from their gross incomes, as a business loss. So one way or another, they get their requested rate.

Doctors seem to think that saying something authoritatively is a way to get support for their beliefs. Have they read the bill? Ask them, next time they fill your ears with their bleating. I sure hope nurses aren't quoting the beliefs of physicians, as true just because they are physicians and sound like they're in the know!

Please, form your own opinions through your knowledge of evidence based facts.

Media report news, not necessarily evidence based facts. Elitists state their beliefs based on the effect things have on their pocketbooks and/or reputations. Nurses state facts based on evidence! So read it. It's really not a tough read.

You want nurses to wade through this before they are entitled to an opinion on it, yet the representatives that will be voting on it say that it is "too complicated to understand without an attorney" (John Conyers D-Michigan).

The "stimulus" bill was pushed through congress in the wee hours of the morning with no reading, no debate, because it was an "emergency". The Bush administration and now the Obama administration have run through the streets of Washington screaming that the sky is falling. Their "emergency stimulus" has been largely ineffective, with only a small percentage of the money even spent at this point. It takes time to get effects of such a mammoth undertaking. The sky hasn't fallen, it's still business as usual. Not really, as many big banks and whole industries (automotive) and businesses have gone "under", millions are unemployed, homeless, hungry and uninsured; and a pervasive, increasingly dangerous flu is making its way around the globe. Yet the Obama administration finds another "emergency" that needs rapid intervention, health care. maybe that situation isn't at your front door, but it is at mine! This time, the pinheads (please have some respect or don't write such disparaging remarks) aren't just messing with our wallets, (oh, do you make more than $350,000/year?) they are messing with our wallets and our LIVES. Yes, most of the unfortunates will be better off and healthier! Thankfully, national polling is showing that Americans have recognized there is a turd in the punchbowl. My favorite polls are those Jay Leno makes. If you've seen them, you must have an idea how undereducated our people are! I think there will be some fresh punch in 2010. The health care system will sure be better than that we have. Maybe that is the reason for all of this urgency.