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No. 200
from jdub3
Old Jul 26, 2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sayitgirl View Post
The President and Judicial system have excellant healthcare. I can remember when insurance was free for employees and a small fee for families. That has changed for most of us, now it is based on salary. I do not want to have my rates doubled again. If nothing is done that will happen, it is slowly happening now. Our country is the only one without national health insurance.
Thats b/c we are not a Socialist country.
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No. 201
from misplaced1
Old Jul 26, 2009, 10:52 PM

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How sad. Perhaps we should also make the police force a pay-for service entity. They could be reimbursed on a case by case basis when they respond. Then if the reimbursement gets too low for them to run with enough staff to respond appropriately, then I guess it will just be too bad if your family member gets raped or murdered. And why should I care, I mean I don't want MY money going into anything to help somebody I don't know.

Hey and lets add the fire department to that too. We could have a pay as you go system for that one. Kinda like you pay for your health insurance now. Then if your old and sick and just don't have the money laying around to pay your premium for your fire insurance, we could all just stand around and watch your house burn down.

I can't believe this is a website composed of nurse. In my personal opinion it is appalling to hear a bunch of nurses complain about making health care affordable to all. I had a great job. I got very sick. COBRA is only good for eighteen months and after that NO MORE HEALTH INSURANCE. That is if you can afford to pay for COBRA while you DON"T have a job. Good luck with that one.

If you have a spouse with health insurance that will help you during a time like this good for you. But unless you are a multimillionaire good luck with paying the copayments too. Most medical bankruptcies are declared by people THAT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE. If you get a serious illness that goes on for years, get out your wallet and and watch your money burn. It goes faster then if you lit a match to it even WITH HEALTH INSURANCE.

Believe it or not. Just pray that it doesn't happen to you. And believe it or not it can. It can happen to anyone. I suspect one of the reasons so many people get up in arms about this is because it is hard for them to accept this fact. As long as one can point a finger and say that will never happen to me because I work hard and have health insurance, then they feel safe. But, you are NOT safe. Not unless you are independently wealthy and have a great deal of money in the bank.

By the way I was YOUNG, well EMPLOYEED with lots of savings when it happened. And if you think the government just starts picking up the check because you can no longer afford to pay it you are wrong. You can loose every asset you have before that happens.

Health care is not going to be perfect. To think that it will not be rationed at all is magical thinking. It is already rationed based on your income and access. Read about Sam Waltons fight with cancer. It is no surprise that people with his type cancer go to the place where he was treated to get treatment themselves. Not that others can't go. But not everyone can afford multiple bone marrow transplants and insurance typically does not pay for the THREE that a person I know has had.

But we need to have basic care for everyone. A safety net that will prevent them from going into banckruptcy because they were unfortunate enough to loose their job when they become ill and susequently their health insurance.

So to all you hard workers out there that pay your health insurance premiums on time, you've just been lucky so far. Instead of looking down on people with no insurance perhaps you should be counting your blessings!
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No. 202
Old Jul 27, 2009, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DAH2 View Post
I vote for single payer health Insurance--why should insurance corporations make great profits on our health care ?
It needs to be non profit. We spend twice as much per individual as other developed countries and get less and have so many people uninsured. We're paying ,in our premium's, for the uninsured and we,re paying for duplicate admin. cost for each and every insurance company AND we're paying for profits, for every bonus and all perks enjoyed by insurance executives. Health care should be available to every U.S. citizen and should never, never be for profit. I don't know why we've let it go on this long. Our elected representatives need to take the ins companies out of their pockets.
I concur. Sadly, I don't think this option will surface any time soon in US. Insurance and pharmaceutical lobbyists will not let this happen. We need to eliminate the lobbyists first. Without them, maybe our government will be more apt to act for the citizens they were voted to represent. Meanwhile, our government is nothing more than a bunch of paid and bought prostitutes of special interest groups.
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No. 203
Old Jul 27, 2009, 12:21 PM

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There still seems to be a lot of talk about public paid health care, we all end paying for it one way or another. The cost has always been put on the shoulders of those who could pay, but this can not last. We are pay more and getting less every year and the insurance companies now dictate what they will pay for and what they will not. We also have to look at more preventive care as most other countries do. We in the US focus on treatment and not preventive care which lowers cost over all. We spend way too much money keep people alive by any means necessary, when it does in prove their quality of life and it only extends their life a little while longer. I watch a women die in the hospital where I work over a 4 month period. She was never going to get better do to her medical condition. She actually got worse. We spend more money keep people alive in their last few months of life then we do in their entire life. This is where we need health care reform.
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No. 204
from K98
Old Jul 27, 2009, 12:41 PM

Default Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
Originally Posted by misplaced1 View Post
How sad. Perhaps we should also make the police force a pay-for service entity. They could be reimbursed on a case by case basis when they respond. Then if the reimbursement gets too low for them to run with enough staff to respond appropriately, then I guess it will just be too bad if your family member gets raped or murdered. And why should I care, I mean I don't want MY money going into anything to help somebody I don't know.

Hey and lets add the fire department to that too. We could have a pay as you go system for that one. Kinda like you pay for your health insurance now. Then if your old and sick and just don't have the money laying around to pay your premium for your fire insurance, we could all just stand around and watch your house burn down.

I can't believe this is a website composed of nurse. In my personal opinion it is appalling to hear a bunch of nurses complain about making health care affordable to all. I had a great job. I got very sick. COBRA is only good for eighteen months and after that NO MORE HEALTH INSURANCE. That is if you can afford to pay for COBRA while you DON"T have a job. Good luck with that one.

If you have a spouse with health insurance that will help you during a time like this good for you. But unless you are a multimillionaire good luck with paying the copayments too. Most medical bankruptcies are declared by people THAT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE. If you get a serious illness that goes on for years, get out your wallet and and watch your money burn. It goes faster then if you lit a match to it even WITH HEALTH INSURANCE.

Believe it or not. Just pray that it doesn't happen to you. And believe it or not it can. It can happen to anyone. I suspect one of the reasons so many people get up in arms about this is because it is hard for them to accept this fact. As long as one can point a finger and say that will never happen to me because I work hard and have health insurance, then they feel safe. But, you are NOT safe. Not unless you are independently wealthy and have a great deal of money in the bank.

By the way I was YOUNG, well EMPLOYEED with lots of savings when it happened. And if you think the government just starts picking up the check because you can no longer afford to pay it you are wrong. You can loose every asset you have before that happens.

Health care is not going to be perfect. To think that it will not be rationed at all is magical thinking. It is already rationed based on your income and access. Read about Sam Waltons fight with cancer. It is no surprise that people with his type cancer go to the place where he was treated to get treatment themselves. Not that others can't go. But not everyone can afford multiple bone marrow transplants and insurance typically does not pay for the THREE that a person I know has had.

But we need to have basic care for everyone. A safety net that will prevent them from going into banckruptcy because they were unfortunate enough to loose their job when they become ill and susequently their health insurance.

So to all you hard workers out there that pay your health insurance premiums on time, you've just been lucky so far. Instead of looking down on people with no insurance perhaps you should be counting your blessings!
Oddly enough, RN does not equal "liberal". The government already takes way too much of the paltry salary I earn for doing this job. I am quite tired of watching my pay shrivel to provide benefits to others. I can't read a newspaper or watch the TV news without some politician popping up with some proposal for a new "revenue stream" (sounds better than tax). I am all for "reforming" health care, provided it doesn't cost me any more than I pay now, and it lets me keep my private insurance and keep the government out of my health care. So far, nobody has come up with a way to pay for this proposed mess, the CBO has reported that it increase costs rather than save money. As for the public resistance to this "plan", those pushing it seem to forget that the majority of us are insured and satisfied with our care.
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No. 205
from sayitgirl
Old Jul 27, 2009, 02:54 PM

Default Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
We are already being taxed for medicare, or did you not notice that deduction on your paycheck?
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No. 206
from K98
Old Jul 27, 2009, 03:21 PM

Default Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
Originally Posted by sayitgirl View Post
We are already being taxed for medicare, or did you not notice that deduction on your paycheck?
Yes, we are, and medicare is going bust. Did you notice that? Let's add an even larger program that we have no way of funding. Don't worry, we can play the "class envy" card, and tell everyone that we will tax the "rich" to pay for it. Heh. The full weight of funding this debacle will fall on you and I. It always has and it always will. President O says otherwise, but he is lying. Hope and change my foot. He is just a different door leading to the same room. It is amazing how many people are too thick to realize that.
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No. 207
Old Jul 27, 2009, 05:06 PM

Default Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
Originally Posted by elkpark View Post
And, pray tell, what special insight into "what the gov't is up to" do you have that the rest of us don't??? Is it perhaps because I'm not listening to Rush or watching Faux News that I'm so uninformed? I do make an effort to follow the news and stay informed through a variety of legitimate news sources, but maybe that's not good enough ...

OMG! I was going to say the same thing!
STOP repeating the talking points of Hannity and Limbaugh PLEASE!
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No. 208
from misplaced1
Old Jul 27, 2009, 08:37 PM

Default Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
Originally Posted by K98 View Post
As for the public resistance to this "plan", those pushing it seem to forget that the majority of us are insured and satisfied with our care.
I was completed satisfied with my insurance also-- as long as I didn't REALLY need it.
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No. 209
Old Jul 28, 2009, 11:43 AM
Updated Jul 28, 2009 at 11:54 AM by lamazeteacher

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This item from "Quote-of-the-day", demonstrates the skulduggery using huge amounts of cash from extremely influencial newspaper(s). That limits the information shown to the public, which could sponsor resistance to a project that isn't in accord with what powerful government figures want published.

It's difficult for the average person reading newspaper reports such as those below, to dissect the true direction of it. Also, propaganda-like information is printed as news. It's so important, when we form our opinions, that we consider where and from whom we get our information, from the aspect of how corruptable its source is. When in doubt, I always go from suspicion of "corrupt", unless proven otherwise.

In this day's post, I am sure that quote-for-a-day is a reliable source, as I have subscribed to it through someone on allnurses, whose posts I've found are impeccable. I know I'll not trust the Washington Post's "news" reports in the future.

I read a column in my local newspaper the other day, that was supposedly something representing views of "the left". It was definitely in opposition to liberal viewpoints, once I looked closely.

If you decide to communicate with this newsletter, please keep to the facts (ma'am, as the detective in an old TV series was often quoted). Personal posts without specific reference to their source, detracts from our submissions and makes us sound less than reliable. Allnurses has closed several threads due to that kind of thing, which is a sad reflection of some members' lack of self control (myself included, at times when I become sufficiently riled).

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1. qotd: The Washington Post kills Blue Cross Blue Shield story
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The Washington Post
July 22, 2009
Research Firm Cited by GOP Is Owned by Health Insurer
By David S. Hilzenrath

The political battle over health-care reform is waged largely with numbers,
and few number-crunchers have shaped the debate as much as the Lewin Group,
a consulting firm whose research has been widely cited by opponents of a
public insurance option.

****

Lewin's clients include the government and private groups with a variety of
perspectives, including the Commonwealth Fund and the Heritage Foundation. A
February report contained information that could be used to argue for a
single-payer system, the approach most threatening to private insurers,
Sheils noted.

But not all of the firm's reports see the light of day. For example, a study
for the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association was never released, Sheils said.

"Let's just say, sometimes studies come out that don't show exactly what the
client wants to see. And in those instances, they have [the] option to bury
the study -- to not release it, rather," Sheils said.

Asked to comment, Blue Cross Blue Shield Association spokesman Brett
Lieberman said, "We're still working with Lewin on a study, and, you know,
we don't talk about our studies until they're done."

In testimony last month to a House committee, Lewin disclosed its
affiliation with UnitedHealth and Ingenix in its written submission, but in
his oral testimony he did not bring it up until asked, according to a
transcript.

****

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/22/AR2009072202216.html

And...

The Washington Post
July 23, 2009
Insurer-Owned Consulting Firm Often Cited in Health Debate
By David S. Hilzenrath

In a revised version of the same article published the next day, the section
appearing between the rows of asterisks was rewritten as follows:

****

Lewin's clients include the government and groups with a variety of
perspectives, including the Commonwealth Fund and the Heritage Foundation. A
February report by the firm contained information that could be used to
argue for a national system known as single-payer, the approach most
threatening to insurers, Sheils noted.

But not all of Lewin's reports see the light of day. "Let's just say,
sometimes studies come out that don't show exactly what the client wants to
see. And in those instances, they have [the] option to bury the study,"
Sheils said.

****

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/22/AR2009072203696.html

And...

The Washington Post
July 12, 2009
A Sponsorship Scandal at The Post
By Andrew Alexander, Ombudsman

The Washington Post's ill-fated plan to sell sponsorships of off-the-record
"salons" was an ethical lapse of monumental proportions.

Publisher Katharine Weymouth and Executive Editor Marcus Brauchli have now
taken full responsibility for what was envisioned as a series of 11 intimate
dinners to discuss public policy issues. For a fee of up to $25,000,
underwriters were guaranteed a seat at the table with lawmakers,
administration officials, think tank experts, business leaders and the heads
of associations.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/11/AR2009071100290.html


Comment: Just as the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association killed a study by
The Lewin Group that had findings that they didn't want people to see, The
Washington Post killed the reporting of the decision of Blue Cross Blue
Shield to bury that study.

The Washington Post is attempting to recover from one of the most serious
ethical lapses in the history of mainstream journalism - the selling of
access to the publisher, reporters, and others so participants could "build
crucial relationships with Washington Post news executives in a neutral and
informal setting."

What has The Washington Post learned? In their decision to manipulate the
news on behalf of the private insurance industry during the intensive effort
in Washington to reform health care, it's clear that The Washington Post
didn't learn squat about journalism ethics.

They would have been more honest if they simply sold The Washington Post
Company to Fox News. At least we would know with no uncertainty where they
stood. Maybe we already do.
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