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Jul 11, 2009, 05:31 PM
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Jul 11, 2009, 11:36 PM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
Miss Woosie:
I know that Pap smears and mammography studies cost much less in Canada, than in the USA, but I don't know the price of them in the UK. Here, they're hundreds of dollars, each.
We have some government funded clinics and "free" clinics subsidised by philanthropic groups, (staffed by volunteer receptionists, clerks, nurses and doctors) who have agreements with labs, radiology, EKG, and EEG, to charge considerably lower fees for their patients. Medications are provided by pharmaceutical company representatives and given to patients upon doctors ordering them. There is a problem with the latter, as clinics aren't supposed to dispense medications, and of course the treatment is ruled by what meds are on hand. The key concern at those clinics, is to treat ailments before they become acute, and teach patients the things they need to do to stay well.
Many illegal aliens attend the "free" clinics. I don't know what will happen to them, when the public system gets going, here. Traditionally they've been seen in Eds, so that's probably what will happen again, when they become quite ill. Being poor certainly shortens one's life span.......
| | No. 103 |
Jul 12, 2009, 02:17 AM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb Originally Posted by ACU_RN  Hey Ron, the system we have now does work for 95% of us.
What is your reference for that figure? I would have thought it was much lower!
| | No. 104 |
Jul 12, 2009, 02:32 AM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb Originally Posted by ptadvocate81 Just a quick question... I have debated this with my spouse over and over again... We both agree 100% that healthcare should be a right not a privilege. But my question for fellow healthcare workers is this. Would you be for this plan even if it meant that your pay was cut to say $12/hour? It is my belief that there would be cost cuts to support a plan of this nature and I think that pay would be one of those. Just a little something to ponder....
The rate of pay you're suggesting is below starting salary for people without a degree, now. I doubt that salaries, if they're lowered, would descend to that!
Fear mongering prompts scare posts like this. The 1 % tax on those with very high incomes (over $200,000/year or more) will fund a great deal of the program, plus health care billing of employed persons. We have more than enough equipment for diagnosing illnesses now, as well as most other things.
Cost containment measures will diminish a lot of overages; and get people out of hospital and at home rather than staying in hospital where nosocomial infections are a threat, and cost additional amounts that wouldn't be necessary if the patient wasn't admitted. Doctors' fees will be more reasonable and realistic, asd well as those generated by hospitals. Huge premiums charged by insurance companies will be eliminated. Using nurse practitioners more, will also reduce costs.
Many surgeons book surgeries without trying more conservative approaches, first. Wearing a knee band prevented a knee replacement for me, after a PT recommended it. My surgeon was about to retire, and wanted one more for the road, I think..... I've not needed any more analgesics for it, since using the knee band.  | | No. 105 |
Jul 12, 2009, 05:01 AM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
The slippery road to totalitarism is paved with good intentions. They call the healthcare system in America broken. One person here wants to expand medicare. Some people are misguided that it is a right or a privledge. They want to raise taxes on people and give that money to people who make less. Think about it, the government will force you to pay more money for a service that you will not even use.
Liberals would like you to believe that it is about the haves and the have nots. The so called rich versus the so called poor.
If reform is going to happen, then reform needs to occur internally, I do agree that charging a massive amount of money to see a patient for 2 mins is a fraud during rounds. On the other hand we need to find out who these uninsured people are in the USA are ? This magic number 47 million, How many of them are here illegally ? How many of them chose not to have health insurance? I want to know.
If you liberals believe that healthcare is a right, then I assume you believe it is a right of being an American citizen, those who are here illegally dont have those rights and should not be entitled to that benefit correct ?
It does sadden me all the corruption, the massive charges for a two minute bedside visit, the high insurance premiums providers have to pay, and the greed of the industry. Make no mistake, health care is an industry, like retail, or any other capital industry. It needs a major shake up when people can not get health insurance at reasonable rates. Yea I am middle of the road on this one, at one hand, it saddens me to see people do without, but on the other hand, I know the government is horrible at running anything.. look at the Postal service for example.
The Solution ?
1. No Free insurance , people who are going to use a government backed insurance need to pay premiums, deductibles like others.
2. Preventive medicine needs to be emphasized ie eating right, not getting to be a big fat pig, and exercising, and immunizations.
3. Money hungry people with erroneous law suits needs to be penalized.
4. Hospitals need to charge reasonable rates finally after the above
5. Insurance needs to change.. I dont know how.
6. Government run national health care wont happen and wont work in the USA
7. Either legalize or Deport Illegals who use and abuse are health care system. If you legalize them, then they are taxed and become part of the system, if you deport them, then they are no longer a burden on the system. One or the other or both.
8. Penalize stupidity.
| | No. 106 |
Jul 12, 2009, 07:38 AM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb Originally Posted by patrick1rn The slippery road to totalitarism is paved with good intentions. They call the healthcare system in America broken. One person here wants to expand medicare. Some people are misguided that it is a right or a privledge. They want to raise taxes on people and give that money to people who make less. Think about it, the government will force you to pay more money for a service that you will not even use.
Liberals would like you to believe that it is about the haves and the have nots. The so called rich versus the so called poor.
If reform is going to happen, then reform needs to occur internally, I do agree that charging a massive amount of money to see a patient for 2 mins is a fraud during rounds. On the other hand we need to find out who these uninsured people are in the USA are ? This magic number 47 million, How many of them are here illegally ? How many of them chose not to have health insurance? I want to know.
If you liberals believe that healthcare is a right, then I assume you believe it is a right of being an American citizen, those who are here illegally dont have those rights and should not be entitled to that benefit correct ?
It does sadden me all the corruption, the massive charges for a two minute bedside visit, the high insurance premiums providers have to pay, and the greed of the industry. Make no mistake, health care is an industry, like retail, or any other capital industry. It needs a major shake up when people can not get health insurance at reasonable rates. Yea I am middle of the road on this one, at one hand, it saddens me to see people do without, but on the other hand, I know the government is horrible at running anything.. look at the Postal service for example.
The Solution ?
1. No Free insurance , people who are going to use a government backed insurance need to pay premiums, deductibles like others.
2. Preventive medicine needs to be emphasized ie eating right, not getting to be a big fat pig, and exercising, and immunizations.
3. Money hungry people with erroneous law suits needs to be penalized.
4. Hospitals need to charge reasonable rates finally after the above
5. Insurance needs to change.. I dont know how.
6. Government run national health care wont happen and wont work in the USA
7. Either legalize or Deport Illegals who use and abuse are health care system. If you legalize them, then they are taxed and become part of the system, if you deport them, then they are no longer a burden on the system. One or the other or both.
8. Penalize stupidity.
Good post. Turning health care over to the federal government is a death sentence to us all. Those who claim otherwise are flat wrong.
| | No. 107 |
Jul 12, 2009, 07:41 AM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb Originally Posted by lamazeteacher The rate of pay you're suggesting is below starting salary for people without a degree, now. I doubt that salaries, if they're lowered, would descend to that!
Fear mongering prompts scare posts like this. The 1 % tax on those with very high incomes (over $200,000/year or more) will fund a great deal of the program, plus health care billing of employed persons. We have more than enough equipment for diagnosing illnesses now, as well as most other things.
Cost containment measures will diminish a lot of overages; and get people out of hospital and at home rather than staying in hospital where nosocomial infections are a threat, and cost additional amounts that wouldn't be necessary if the patient wasn't admitted. Doctors' fees will be more reasonable and realistic, asd well as those generated by hospitals. Huge premiums charged by insurance companies will be eliminated. Using nurse practitioners more, will also reduce costs.
Many surgeons book surgeries without trying more conservative approaches, first. Wearing a knee band prevented a knee replacement for me, after a PT recommended it. My surgeon was about to retire, and wanted one more for the road, I think..... I've not needed any more analgesics for it, since using the knee band.
Ah, I get it now, you work for Obama. Makes sense now.  | | No. 108 |
Jul 12, 2009, 08:44 AM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb Originally Posted by lamazeteacher The rate of pay you're suggesting is below starting salary for people without a degree, now. I doubt that salaries, if they're lowered, would descend to that!
Fear mongering prompts scare posts like this. The 1 % tax on those with very high incomes (over $200,000/year or more) will fund a great deal of the program, plus health care billing of employed persons. We have more than enough equipment for diagnosing illnesses now, as well as most other things.
Cost containment measures will diminish a lot of overages; and get people out of hospital and at home rather than staying in hospital where nosocomial infections are a threat, and cost additional amounts that wouldn't be necessary if the patient wasn't admitted. Doctors' fees will be more reasonable and realistic, asd well as those generated by hospitals. Huge premiums charged by insurance companies will be eliminated. Using nurse practitioners more, will also reduce costs.
Many surgeons book surgeries without trying more conservative approaches, first. Wearing a knee band prevented a knee replacement for me, after a PT recommended it. My surgeon was about to retire, and wanted one more for the road, I think..... I've not needed any more analgesics for it, since using the knee band.
I am still wondering what percentage of a salary people are willing to pay each month for this, especially knowing that they are paying for those that can't/won't work.
Anyone like to name a figure? Seems people are keen enough to quote the 1% extra tax for those earning over 200,000 because that won't affect nurses. But what would you pay? 1%,2%,5%
I think the $70 must have been pulled out of thin air.
With a govt run system you may not get a knee op until youhave constant night pain and all the painkillers have been exhausted.
| | No. 109 |
Jul 12, 2009, 11:02 AM
Re: Health Care: The Ticking Time Bomb
I'm Australian. & we have a universal health care system (Medicare) paid for out of as a tax at 1.5%. It means that every Australian is entitled to basic healthcare (i.e. can be seen in the emergency department without fear of bankruptcy, can see a bulk-billing (most) GP free of charge, are entitled to all standard medical care including major operations etcetc.) I fail to see what is wrong with this, honestly. It means that people can live without fear of loosing their health/life over a bank statement.
Medicare also provides a rebate/refund when you see a practitioner (e.g. a specialist) who charges more than the Medicare accepted fee. Some do, some don't. For some, it depends on where you see them (e.g. in their private rooms or in their suite in the public hospital.) Medicare sets a baseline fee for types of consults/procedures and so forth and will pay so much and then consumer/patient pays the remainder of the fee out of pocket, should they choose to see a practitioner who charges above the scheduled fee.
Furthermore, whilst every Australian is covered under the Medicare system, we have private health insurance companies with offer additional coverage (e.g. entitlement to 'extras' such a private vs. public hospital stays, single vs. shared room, further allied health services like physio, psychology, dietetics etc.) Private health insurance reduces the burden on Medicare by reducing public waiting lists for elective surgeries amongst other things in providing alternate options for those with the means.
So, Australians are not without choice when it comes to UHC. & at the same time, they are not left out in the cold to die, either, because there haven't any money in their bank accounts on the day they had a car crash, either. & all at a rate of 1.5%, which seems tiny, compared to the lives put at ease (and saved) as a result of "free" health care.
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