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No. 10
from Stargazer
Old Jan 17, 2002, 04:23 PM

If we have enough female nurses to work in delivery areas why we need males to work in such places?!!
Um, how about because men who (a) want to, and (b) are qualified to work in OB are (c) therefore entitled to do so?

Being able to function well in any given setting is a function of intelligence and personality, not gender. The best GYN I ever went to as a patient was a male. Saying you ought to have female plumbing before working in OB or L&D is like saying you shouldn't work in CCU unless you've had an MI.
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No. 11
from mark_LD_RN
Old Jan 18, 2002, 09:25 AM

I want to thank everyone for all the support and kind words it has been very helpful. I hope more people reply. Anyone is welcome to email me if they like.
as far as Salmi reply: I think she missed the point and her facts are a little off. A) there is a shortage of nurses here, especially in L&D, hospitals in the area are actually using new nurses and nurses with no L&D experience, and I can not even get an interview with them. I think it would be better to hire some one with experince especially with the shortage.
B) I don't believe in same sex toliets and real don't see how that is related to this topic.

I see it as pure discrimination, just think how it would feel to the female nurse if they were not ever allowed to take care of a female patient or refused a job based on gender. Or if black nurses would not be allowed to care for white patients .Just imagine what would be said and done then.
being a medical doctor has been a traditionally male profession, and look how the female doctors have been accepted. Why can't nursing be the same way.
Thanks again everyone, please keep writing. and if anyone has any helpful suggestions please feel free to share them. thanks, mark
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No. 12
from salmi
Old Jan 18, 2002, 11:45 AM

Hi guys….

A) I’m male nurse.
B) The thing is also applied to doctors , if we have enough female doctors to work in OB or L&D then no need for male doctors.
Come on guys don’t go against nature
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No. 13
from Stargazer
Old Jan 18, 2002, 12:16 PM

salmi: to carry your syllogism to its logical conclusion, you seem to be saying that only male nurses and male physicians should take care of male patients. Sorry, the numbers don't add up. There is no way that there are enough male RNs--or MDs, for that matter--in any given hospital to take care of all the male patients.

I note that your location is Oman. Would I be presumptous to wonder whether your objections are religious or cultural in nature?
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No. 14
from donmurray
Old Jan 18, 2002, 05:53 PM

And as to shared toilets, don't people of either gender usually use them alone? Of course, women always complain about men leaving the seat up!
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No. 15
from mark_LD_RN
Old Jan 18, 2002, 08:42 PM

Lightbulb very stange thinking Salmi
Salmi you need to look at the numbers there is no way there is enough male nurses to care for only male patients so only females can care for female patients. This is not an attempt to change nature as you put it. If nature meant men and women to be totally seperated and never to interact. we would not need one of each gender to procreat. This must obviously be a cultural difference. Here things like this are considered discrimination. I work on other floors besides L&D. and they sometimes try the gender asignment thing, I find it very insulting. I have found over the years that my female patients really like me. I have been requested by many to be their nurse when they came on other days or times the were in the hospital. Men have a lot to offer nursing and should not be denied the chance to do what they like best. It only hurts nursing as a whole. And worst of all it hurts the patient.
THANKS EVERYBODY FOR WRITING, MARK
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No. 16
from Jenny P
Old Jan 19, 2002, 01:43 AM

When I was being induced with my 2nd child, the CRNA was a guy who I had worked closely with and even oriented to ICU years before. He'd had a black (or bizarre) sense of humor when we worked together or socialized, and had often made crass comments and off-color jokes to many female nurses; so I was a little hesitant thinking he'd be there during the birth. But there was meconium in the amniotic fluid and I was rather busy with delivering at the time, so I didn't object. HE WAS SO COOL! He explained to my husband what was happening, took a very modest and sensitive picture of my husband cutting the cord, and then took my baby and checked her vocal cords and made sure she was okay. If that particular guy could be as caring and professional as that, I have no problems with other guys being in OB or L&D. He did so much better than the residents in the teaching hospital when I'd had my first child.
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No. 17
from Q.
Old Jan 19, 2002, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by donmurray
And as to shared toilets, don't people of either gender usually use them alone? Of course, women always complain about men leaving the seat up!
And don't forget, in Ally McBeal they had a shared restroom.

As for the rest of the debate: I work L&D and we have male residents and male OB techs; frankly I welcome the mixed gender to provide a little diversity (did I say that?) in the workplace. We sometimes have patients who are of Middle Eastern descent who ask that no males care for them, and we are more than happy to honor that request, except under emergency situations of course.

Whoever is best qualified to do the job is who should be allowed to work there. Simple as that.

And Stargazer, LOVE your posts.
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No. 18
from Jenny P
Old Jan 20, 2002, 12:23 AM

And in our staff lounge we only have 1 toilet for both sexes.
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No. 19
Old Jan 20, 2002, 03:41 PM

Default Males nurses in maternal/child....
Salmi, this is for you: If you have been raised in a middle eastern culture where males and females are not respected in the same way as they are in a westernized culture, it is only natural for you to think the way you do about the "separation of men and women" in the nursing field. Now that you live in America, and you see how American life is, why do you choose to stay if you are so opposed to our lifestyle? Remember the saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." When Americans travel to countries of a different culture, we must adapt to that culture's way of life if we are to survive and be accepted there. When foreigners with beliefs different than the westernized world come into America, they too must adapt to our ways in order to survive. Commenting on our lifestyle in America is one thing, but condemning it to the point of things needing to be "your culture's way or no way" is not sound and mature reasoning on your part.
Instead of arguing about how this or that should be one way or another, why not share with us more about your culture and way of life, and why you are so adamant about life remaining the same for you when you no longer live in a country that supports that viewpoint. I am not condemning you, Salmi, but seeking to gain a better understanding of your viewpoints and why you choose to live in a country that is so different than the way you were raised to believe. Please....share more with us about this.


"Don't talk unless you can improve the silence."-- Laurence Coughlin
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