Your boss insists on employees taking flu vaccine - page 3

by seenitallERnurse 5,397 Views | 71 Comments

i just heard this last week and want to know what anyone else has heard. the infection control person at my employer let us know that we will be expected to accept the flu vaccine for the upcoming 08-09 flu season. i don't... Read More


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    I don't want my employer to think they have the right to force me to do anything, not least of which is take any medication...so I will decline on paper, and know that if I choose to get the vaccine I have a perfectly good PCP.
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    What is this, a police state now?

    Last year, we had to accept or decline in writing with a reason why.

    They also said that if one doesn't get the vaccine and gets the flu they will not be getting paid sick leave for it.

    I declined.
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    We really have to be careful about big brother.
    My children are so tired of hearing me preach about our wonderful rights- and the fight to keep them.
    Agree- I take a flu shot almost every year- and appreciate the free ones conveniently given at work. However... people have the right to refuse.
    The crazy threats admin throws to please "the man" with good numbers can sometimes be ridiculous. No sick pay, have to talk to the big doctors...wwwooowwweee.
    MAKE LOVE NOT WAR!!!
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    I wouldn't take it.....I've had the flu shot before and had a horrible, horrible allergic rxn. So terrible the docs thought I had meningitis at first. No way I'm ever doing that again!
    Last edit by premedturnednursing on Aug 7, '08 : Reason: specify
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    [QUOTE=NRSKarenRN;3024092The short answer is because HCP influenza vaccination rates remain appallingly low, and unvaccinated HCP are infecting vulnerable patients with influenza. Fewer than 45% of HCP are immunized against influenza each year even though ACIP has urged annual influenza vaccination for HCP since 1981. Further, influenza transmission has been documented among patients in a variety of clinical settings, and infections have been linked to unvaccinated HCP. Clearly, we are doing our patients harm
    /QUOTE]
    I just don't understand how this can be proven-unless you are under quarantine influenza can be brought in by visitors and vendors,not just direct care staff....Does anyone know if the medicare regs that were mentioned are true? I know that this is true in regards to HAI.It will be interesting to see how if effects LTC.We all know what happens there whenever a URI or GI bug starts.
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    "i just don't understand how this can be proven-unless you are under quarantine influenza can be brought in by visitors and vendors,not just direct care staff...."

    you have echoed my thoughts. the infxn control staffer said " i know of a case . . ." implicating a physician or pa in passing flu to a pt under their care.

    i'm just thinkin' ... "ok, maybe it came from the hcp or maybe, just maybe, it came from any number of visitors--who didn't know they had flu symptoms yet or they would have refrained from coming."

    when these studies are carried out, why are hcp implicated as links? did the "studies" examine the non-professional staff as part of their data.? were ancillary staff also evaluated as to possibly being linked to passing a flu virus around? it seems nsg staff and docs are at fault, but there are any number of personnel that a pt can come in contact with throughout their day, and any employee could be coughing, sneezing, touching surfaces and passing along a germ. i just wonder how extensive such "studies" are when conclusions are disseminated to employees and the public.

    and, yes, how does the working man find out what truth there is to challenges being received from medicare re: lowering reimbursement?

    thank you, nrskarenrn, for your references. i appreciate all the responses. it seems a mixed bag--some plan to accept the vaccine; others will decline. i'll continue researching influenza vaccine effectiveness over various flu seasons. and i'll review your references for joint commission, etc. it figures they would impose in the area of employee compliance for vaccinations.

    i'll keep researching. . . who knows, i might change my mind and go for it.
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    If you can decline the shot, you can also decline to sign a form. Recieving or not recieving a flu shot is your' personal business, and the hospital is not entitled to access your' personal health info. Even if you choose to get a flu shot, I would refuse to disclose this info to the hospital. I would simply state "this is an issue between me and my PCP". If I choose to get a shot, I'll get it from my PCP and that info will remain private.

    Whether you believe in flu shots or not, these hospitals and other facilities need to learn that they cannot mandate compliance and cannot force you to disclose personal health info. Does anyone believe these initiatives will stop with flu shots? If they can get away with this, they can also force you to recieve any number of other vaccines.

    Encouraging compliance and offering free shots is fine. It should stop right there. As far as the hospitals that are threatening to withold sick pay, they needs to be challenged, if necessary in court.

    drive-south
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    Quote from Mulan
    What is this, a police state now?

    Last year, we had to accept or decline in writing with a reason why.

    They also said that if one doesn't get the vaccine and gets the flu they will not be getting paid sick leave for it.

    I declined.
    I'd be asking if they had eliminated sick leave altogether, or would they be giving me a raise then since they don't pay for time off anymore? I might also, if feeling froggy, wonder aloud what my state's department of labor would have to say about that.
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    I also have to add, that while I won't allow my employer to try and blow smoke in my face... particularly when it sounds like it is something they shouldn't be doing... I do get the flu shot. I'll take a free vaccine, thanks, but this is because it does me good and I'm lazy, and usually overworked by the time it becomes available to me so it's convienent to get it from work.

    I do support my coworkers who refuse to either get a shot or sign the form. Admin would get a lot farther with incentives than they would with silly threats like "no paid sick time for you" if you don't get a vaccine. I don't even know what incentives, at this point, I'm seeing read over the sheer balls behind such a threat. Because, you know, it's my PTO hours, and they're going to pay me whether they like it or not! Doesn't matter if I'm sick, go on vacation or just quit and demand my PTO time. It's mine and you don't mess with it.
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    No sick leave for the flu? How are they going to know? I already resent after 3 days having to present a note from my MD if I'm sick (like I'm in school and need a note from my mommy.) But it will say I was sick, and am healthy enough to return to work. It will NOT say why I was there, because it's none of my employer's business if it was the flu or a bad UTI or I just had such a horrendous yeast infection that I couldn't come to work for a week without scratching my crotch in front of patients. In fact, if they demanded a reason, that last one is probably what I'd tell them. Will they deny my sick pay for that? And if so, what vaccination are they offering to prevent THAT?
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