Working RNs and the CNA are to blame for new graduate RN program shortages . - Page 3
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Jun 16, '12 by not.done.yetUntil one actually works as an RN, one can't begin to comprehend how much an RN deserves and earns every. single. penny. I would definitely hope if a nurse has been one for quite a while that she/he is able to afford some of the things that improve her/his quality of life outside of the job.
Trust me, the fault doesn't lie in the older/more experienced nurse's salary. - GuideJun 16, '12 by not.done.yetI have to admit, I am laughing a little bit at the CNA being included in the title. CNAs make a paltry pittance for the heavy work they perform.
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Jun 16, '12 by woohQuote from mursUnderstandably frustrating for you, but that's no reason to believe every stupid thing someone says to you.the words by the chief of staff lit a fire within me and the situation us new grads find ourselves facing can be really trying at times.Quote from BennyRNCAExactly.Ask the Chief of Staff why is his own salary and financial perks package so high? Or those of non-nursing management personnel.
I will bet you ALL the upper management staff are over-paid for what they do, get their salaries and how much their retirement package is worth.
Quote from mursSo why is it the NURSE that likes nice stuff that's keeping you from getting a job? I guarantee that Chief of Staff also likes nice stuff. If he took a bit of a pay cut, or retired, there's more money for new grads. A lot more than if you force a few old nurses to retire. At least under the logic you and this Chief of Staff are putting forth.could retire but i like having nice stuff (her car payment alone is 600 plus every month) and the other nurse already has one home and just purchased a condo. -
Jun 16, '12 by Fiona59I understand how frustrating it is for the OP.
I personally know four RNs who have "retired" and are collecting their pensions and have come back to work as "casuals". Their rate of pay is $42/hour. They work three shifts a week on the lightest units in the hospital. One says she works to pay for their vacations (Europe and S. Pacific each year). One bought a house in Arizona and is providing her children with cash for their downpaymentsl. A third claims it is for the "social" aspect.
This wouldn't be bad if they pulled their weight but they don't. It's a very fast paced unit with regular staff picking up the slack these nurses don't. They only do the parts of the jobs they "enjoy", leaving the bulk of the work for the regular staff. They only pick up dayshifts M-F, so they really aren't doing anything to help with the shift short staffing because the evenings, weekends and nights are still understaffed. They don't work much during our snowy season, they don't work the M or F before a long weekend. They are bestest friends with the Unit Manager.
It's the old girl network run amok.Crispy Critter and stash11 like this. -
Jun 16, '12 by whichone'spinkQuote from not.done.yetCNA stands for California Nurses Association in this case. It's the union that speaks for nurses in California.I have to admit, I am laughing a little bit at the CNA being included in the title. CNAs make a paltry pittance for the heavy work they perform.
Sent from my iPad using allnurses.com - Jun 16, '12 by morteI am thinking that refers to the California Nurses Association, not certified nursing assistant....Quote from not.done.yetI have to admit, I am laughing a little bit at the CNA being included in the title. CNAs make a paltry pittance for the heavy work they perform.chevyv likes this.
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Jun 16, '12 by BlueDevil,DNPYou know, I see a lot of bellyaching about the salaries of hospital administration on this site, and I find it irritating. It is simply a great deal more difficult to be a hospital CEO than it is to be a nurse. Even among MBAs and those with Master's in HCA, very, very few of them get to that level. In health care, as in everything else, the cream rises to the top. The fact of the matter is their job cannot be done by just anyone, while just about anyone can be a nurse these days. The antiestablishment attitude is really unbecoming and demonstrates a sad lack of understanding of the depth and complexity of leadership and health care management, IMO.
As for new nurses who hold the same opinion as that expressed by the administrator in the OP, I say: "meh. The way things are is the way things are. Tough tooties. You aren't entitled to jack, and neither am I. I just got here first, and that is they way things are. Get over it." -
Jun 16, '12 by Artistyc1Quote from mursIt is NOT their responsibility to retire on your timetable. Don't forget, they worked through pretty lean times in nursing, as well. Pay for the RN has been historically very LOW, until the fairly recent past! You don't know what their retirements look like, either. Will you begrudge them rebuilding a nest egg, when the crash of 2008 took so much of so many retirements? Many hospitals don't offer very good retirement plans, it is up to the individual to provide for their own retirements.I am a new grad. A chief of staff of a major northern California health system told me, "RNs and their high salaries made new graduate programs cost prohibitive." I work in a hospital . And work with a few people who could retire. but they've opted to continue working, buying property, cars, while i work every day, rent a room in a house , wishing i had the same opportunities they were given as a new grad. The high paid bay area RN just isnt sustainable to the future of nursing.
Due to desire of many private, for profit hospitals, as well, they will cut anything for the sake of their bottom lines. It is much easier to just blame the greedy, self serving nurses.
