woman dies in ER waiting room (article) - page 8

the first few paragraphs, click link for rest of story (too long to cut/paste) interesting. says she was in for abd pain 3x in 3 days,but never what they did for her test wise, or what they... Read More

  1. by   CHATSDALE
    tazz yo jump across the puter as a competent nurse with honed assessment skillls
    i didn't read the papers on this hospital but i know that we have charity hospitals where the care is is first rate..we hae a lot of working poor and they just cannot pay for hospital/halth insurance..if a patient comes into the er and needs to be followed up there are clinics whee appts ae made at the d/c from er [i know that this wouldln't have helped this woman but this issue was brought up]
    frequently the waits are long but they are also long at private pay hospital and the care is good

    can't spell, can't type, hate to proofread - i love you all anyway
  2. by   TazziRN
    Thanks, Dale!

    This woman did have an appt made for her, but she was told to return with worsening symptoms, and that's what she did. Problem with the triage nurse is that she looked at the fact that the pt had just been discharged, not that she was worse.
  3. by   CritterLover
    Quote from tazzirn
    the only thing i condemn her for is not re-triaging the pt but telling her to go home. big emtala violation!!! when you present to triage again, even if it's only been 5 minutes since discharge, you get another medical screening exam.

    yeah, i most certainly agree with you there. however, it really isn't all that clear that she even saw a nurse.

    our registration clerks wear scrubs, and get called "nurse" all the time. (and they sometimes say some pretty dumb things).

    who was it that attributed that comment to a nurse? i thought it was either the boyfriend or the person that wrote the article. either of them could have made an assumption. even if the comment came from the initial police report, it could have be attributed to the wrong person.

    but i do agree that if it was an actual nurse that told her to go home, it is a huge emtala violation, and probably a criminal act.

    (i once triaged a 30-something that presented with a pimple on her back. i soooooo wanted to tell her "it is a pimple, not an abscess. go home. it will go away." but i didn't. i couldn't. as a nurse, i am not qualified to do the mse at my hospital. so i triaged her -- level 5 -- somewhere around midnight. we were very busy, and she didn't get seen until around 6am -- can't believe she stayed. well, the doc saw her, and told her she had a pimple, and sent her home. she was furious -- at me -- because she waited all night for a pimple. sigh. we just can't win)
  4. by   TazziRN
    The article said it was a triage nurse. Gave the name too. She resigned, the department manager was reassigned.
  5. by   chuck1234
    Quote from TazziRN
    Thanks, Dale!

    This woman did have an appt made for her, but she was told to return with worsening symptoms, and that's what she did. Problem with the triage nurse is that she looked at the fact that the pt had just been discharged, not that she was worse.
    That is NEGLIGENT.
    ....Not to mention Ms. Rodriquez was collapsed on the floor....and there was a CCTV....according to the news, the nurses over there were "indifference."
  6. by   chuck1234
    Quote from TazziRN
    The article said it was a triage nurse. Gave the name too. She resigned, the department manager was reassigned.
    So...they knew they did something wrong...
    This is the reason why they are "running away."
  7. by   CritterLover
    Quote from tazzirn
    the article said it was a triage nurse. gave the name too. she resigned, the department manager was reassigned.

    can you quote it for me?

    don't mean to sound so hopeless, but i just reread the article (again) and can't find that reference.

    i knew that she had resigned, but i would have, too, even if i didn't feel like i had erred -- there is no way i would have been able to go back there.

    the article certainly does make her seem like a horrible person, but we haven't heard her side of the story (and probably never will).
  8. by   dream'n
    My heart goes out to this poor patient and her family. I hope eventually they will find peace of heart, and know that most health care professionals are disgusted by what happened, that we care very much about our patients. But I am also very disappointed with some of the negative sentiments expressed in this thread, by other nurses, concerning ER nurses. Remember, do not judge a whole group of nurses, because of the actions of one. I happen to think ER nurses ROCK and I must say bad apples do exist in all nursing specialities, although I'm happy to say they are in the definite minority. Let's all just take this as reminder to never assume anything regarding our patients and to always take the time to REALLY assess any situation.
    Last edit by dream'n on May 23, '07
  9. by   preciousbaby621
    This is sad! Could the hospital be shut down for this??
  10. by   pickledpepperRN
    I've been thinking for many years that this hospital needs to be run by nuns.
    There is too much curruption.
    So many fine nurses and others have quit over the years.

    Once the premier trauma center the county supervisors ignored it.
    The trouble can be traced to the top. I refused to go back as registry because one unit after another became unsafe. Understaffing was just a small part of it.

    I'm not an ER nurse an not competent for triage.
  11. by   TazziRN
    [quote=critterlover;2215821]can you quote it for me?


    the triage nurse involved has resigned, and the emergency room supervisor has been reassigned. additional disciplinary actions could come this week.
    it was about halfway down the first page. the nurse is named on the second page.
  12. by   CritterLover
    [quote=tazzirn;2215924]
    Quote from critterlover
    can you quote it for me?




    it was about halfway down the first page. the nurse is named on the second page.


    i'm sorry, that isn't what i wanted you to quote (though rereading my post, it sure does look like that is what i wanted to you quote . sorry.....it was late and i was tired).

    i saw that part of the article. what i can't find is where it attributes the patient being told that the hospital couldn't help her and to "go home" to the triage nurse.

    i've reread both of the articles on the situation, and i can't find that part.

    by the way, if you read the article posted in the er nurses forum, it presents the situation very differently. (and it, too, is from the la times) that, everyone, is why i'm a little skeptical. i read the other article first, and according to it, she had just been discharged, and had opted not to leave. that is a pretty significant difference from the situation depicted in the second article. (not that she couldn't still have checked in again and been seen again, but it is a significant varience in the story.) we are getting all this information from newspaper articles, and the two i've read contradict each other in some places. which one is accurate?? which parts of each article are accurate??
  13. by   bigsyis
    [quote=critterlover;2216083]
    Quote from tazzirn



    i'm sorry, that isn't what i wanted you to quote (though rereading my post, it sure does look like that is what i wanted to you quote . sorry.....it was late and i was tired).

    i saw that part of the article. what i can't find is where it attributes the patient being told that the hospital couldn't help her and to "go home" to the triage nurse.

    i've reread both of the articles on the situation, and i can't find that part.

    by the way, if you read the article posted in the er nurses forum, it presents the situation very differently. (and it, too, is from the la times) that, everyone, is why i'm a little skeptical. i read the other article first, and according to it, she had just been discharged, and had opted not to leave. that is a pretty significant difference from the situation depicted in the second article. (not that she couldn't still have checked in again and been seen again, but it is a significant varience in the story.) we are getting all this information from newspaper articles, and the two i've read contradict each other in some places. which one is accurate?? which parts of each article are accurate??
    critterlover, in the first article it said that the pt was outside the hospital, and brought into the er by law enforcement personnel. the triage nurse was quoted as having "thanked" the officers for bringing her back into the facility. i agree teetoally w/tazzi that the reentry constituted a "new" hospital visit, and she should have at least been eyeball triaged and a chart printed. all the nurse would have had to do is call to the back, either to the erp or the charge nurse and let them know that the woman was back, complaining louder than ever of abdominal pain, and what should she do w/her? the monkey then would have been off her back, and onto theirs.

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