woman dies in ER waiting room (article) - page 13

the first few paragraphs, click link for rest of story (too long to cut/paste) interesting. says she was in for abd pain 3x in 3 days,but never what they did for her test wise, or what they... Read More

  1. by   chuck1234
    Quote from CuriousMe
    I'm not a nurse yet, I don't pretend to have any experience at all.

    I'm curious though chuck1234, I see you have Med/Surg and ICU experience. Have you had an oportunity to spend any time working in the ER? If so, how much time did you have an oportunity for?

    Peace,
    Cathie
    I have 0 year, 0 month, 0 hours, 0 minutes, and 0 seconds experience in ER.
    In the real world, doctors do make mistake. In the case of Ms. Rodriquez, they made a wrong dx on her. However, she came back and c/o., but the nurse did not do the assessment carefully. If the nurse did what she was supposed to do, Ms. Rodriquez would still be alive today. She has never been given a chance.
    I don't have to be there, but I only focus on "she was coming back...then collapsed on the floor....then died....It is telling me some "horrible things" had occurred during her last breath of her life in the ER.
    If you were Ms. Rodriquez, do you want to go over there to get the treatment. To me that ER is more like a "death trap."
  2. by   TazziRN
    It's already been pointed out that King Drew has a terrible history of pt mistreatment. That whole hospital is a death trap, that fact has been established several times in the last few years.

    And if the family decides to sue, you can bet your bippy the doc who misdiagnosed her will be named. It wasn't just the nurse. That pt should never have been sent home.
  3. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from chuck1234
    If the nurse did what she was supposed to do, Ms. Rodriquez would still be alive today.

    You can not predict that. You don't know where she was in her illness. Even if she were treated properly, urgently, and treated the first time she came through-she could have still died.

    That's a very naive statement.
  4. by   CuriousMe
    Quote from chuck1234
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    If you were Ms. Rodriquez, do you want to go over there to get the treatment. To me that ER is more like a "death trap."
    It's inflammatory statements like the one above that made me question your experience. You're doing nothing to make folks want to take you seriously with statements like this.

    Well OK, I can't speak for "folks" but I know it makes me not take you seriously.

    Peace,
    Cathie

    OK....really going back to studying this time
  5. by   TazziRN
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    You can not predict that. You don't know where she was in her illness. Even if she were treated properly, urgently, and treated the first time she came through-she could have still died.

    That's a very naive statement.
    No, actually it's not. If the nurse had done what she was supposed to do, the pt would have had a better chance of survival. Since she died so quickly chances are she would not have survived anyway, but (to quote you) we don't know that. By not being assessed she had no chance.
  6. by   cardiacRN2006
    Better chance at survival? Yes. But to say that "If the nurse did what she was supposed to do, Ms. Rodriquez would still be alive today" ....is indeed naive--at best.




    And I never said the nurse wasn't at fault. I said she wasn't SOLEY at fault.
  7. by   TazziRN
    Okay, I'll give you that.
  8. by   chuck1234
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    You can not predict that. You don't know where she was in her illness. Even if she were treated properly, urgently, and treated the first time she came through-she could have still died.

    That's a very naive statement.
    That is true...
    But she never had a chance...
    I agree that even as simple as central line insertion, patients do die; and it is already happened to 2 of my patients.
    But the most important thing is whether she had a chance or not.
    If not, death is ensured to be followed...100% guarantee.
  9. by   TazziRN
    Chuck, you're right, the pt was mistreated, but you can't lay the blame all at the nurse's feet. She carries a large part of the blame but so does the doc who discharged her. As quickly as she died, she probably would have died even if the nurse had taken her right back, but she never should have been discharged in the first place.
  10. by   chuck1234
    Quote from CuriousMe
    It's inflammatory statements like the one above that made me question your experience. You're doing nothing to make folks want to take you seriously with statements like this.

    Well OK, I can't speak for "folks" but I know it makes me not take you seriously.

    Peace,
    Cathie

    OK....really going back to studying this time
    That is OK to me...
    I did not want to join the conversation at the beginning; however, after I saw a few nurses stated that we were not there and we should not judge the ER nurse. And that is how I joined the conversation, if you have time, you read the entire thread, you will find out one nurse posted a statement a while ago and said that he/she never stated there is no wrong doing on the ER nurse...if you read the entire thread, his/her point of view has changed, especially after he/she found out the ER nurse has resigned.
    Anyhow, I am happy she/he has changed...so I can go to sleep tonight.
  11. by   P_RN
    Shall we either close this oone or return to the main event? The lady in the ER. Immigration had nothing to do with her situation. OK. Take immigration to the off topic/breakroom or current events. OK?
  12. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from chuck1234
    That is OK to me...
    I did not want to join the conversation at the beginning; however, after I saw a few nurses stated that we were not there and we should not judge the ER nurse. And that is how I joined the conversation, if you have time, you read the entire thread, you will find out one nurse posted a statement a while ago and said that he/she never stated there is no wrong doing on the ER nurse...if you read the entire thread, his/her point of view has changed, especially after he/she found out the ER nurse has resigned.
    Anyhow, I am happy she/he has changed...so I can go to sleep tonight.


    No actually, you jumped back in with the whole "we're all illegal" comments.

    I've read all of the thread, and I didn't see where anyone changed their mind. For the record, I still think it was the fault of the Dr. If you are implying that I changed my mind after the nurse resigned, then you are wrong. The nurse resigning means nothing to me or my opinion.

    Again, I will say that my opinion is that it was the fault of the 2 doctors who discharged her previously. She died within 45 minutes of her return. I don't believe that she would have survived. The nurse should have assessed her, but just because she fell to the ground doesn't give her a pass to the front of the list. We don't know, nor will we ever know what really happend. We don't know that she wasn't assessed, we don't know that she hadn't been seen because there were more urgent patients in front of her, and we don't know why the Dr's discharged her only 3 hours prior.



    If there is fault to blame, it's with the Drs. (that way, everbody knows my opinion, and won't confuse it and/or construe it meet their needs- )
    Last edit by cardiacRN2006 on May 24, '07
  13. by   TazziRN
    PRN, I agree the topic has gotten pulled off direction, but Trudy started a thread about ERs being impacted with illegal immigrants and her thread was merged into the one about King-Drew.

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