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This is a discussion on why do teachers turn a blind eye to cheating?? in General Nursing Discussion, part of General Nursing ... first of I would like to say that I love allnurses.com. This community is very supportive and I am...by catz123 May 11, '11first of I would like to say that I love allnurses.com. This community is very supportive and I am glad to be a part of it. My situation is I am a junior in the nursing program. Suppose to be a senior next year. I am not going back. I knew people were cheating in one of the classes. I hear the students talking about it. I mentioned to the director that some students had an unfair advantage because they were getting information from the upper class. One would think she would check e mails some how. I am sure she would see the info being passed. Then when I got home the other day I found a test and 33 pages of all the material we did in community this semester and a copy of one of the tests that we took. Our final is Wed. 5 / 12 / 11 at noon. I can't even bring myself to study for the final because I am so upset. Should I bring this to the schools attention? Should I give them the test and the homework for the year. Should I bother taking the exam. I already dropped my nursing for next semester and am finishing my four psych classes. I am so.... with the program. My school is also upset because they had a 70% pass rate and are in danger of losing their creditation. Well I know why. I watched people cheat all through the program. If I can see it then why do teachers turn a blind eye? They say they do not permit cheating and yet they never do anything about it when people get caught doing it. more so why does it bother me so much? Maybe I should just let it go and not say a word. I have had enough. apparently I am not smart enough to cheat.
As always thanks for listening. It is ten minutes until three. I should try and get some sleep.
catz123Last edit by brian on May 12, '11
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- May 11, '11 by LTV950rnDO NOT give up!! You have a strong sense of ethics! Don't quit!
I would most definitely bring this to the school's attention. Go all the way to the top. Show them the proof.
- May 11, '11 by fanfan8787RNDon't give up. Finish the program. I don't know about your school but nursing classes usually do not transfer. Those in your program who are cheating will probably have difficulty passing their boards. Good luck to you.
- May 11, '11 by purpletulip4I am a practicing NP and I also teach at the local university. There was a cheating scandal at the school this past year and I am also frustrated on many levels. First, the students who did not speak up until after the final exam on the course evaluations. It would have been so easy to catch those who were cheating in this case but all I had was circumstantial evidence and no one willing to be a witness when going to honor court. So guess what, not guilty.
If you have told the course instructor that you've seen a copy of the exam and that person does nothing about it, keep going up the chain - PLEASE. Go above the program director to the dean if needed. Then go to someone above the dean if nothing gets done. Please, please, please don't stop. The school will want to avoid negative publicity. Go to the media if you have too.
- May 11, '11 by CloudySkyAgree with the others. I absolutely would turn the test into an instructor.
I received my degree from a small private Catholic nursing college that stressed ethics.
There was one guy who started the program with his wife the semester before me. He failed a semester and entered my graduating class while his wife continued to graduate the before him. This guy with the upperclassmen wife was in a study group with our class valedictorian and most of the top students in my class. This one study group was fed a substantial number of test questions before every single test we took - courtesy of the flunky guy's upperclassman wife.
It was VERY obvious to the rest of the class that this study group had an unfair advantage due to their advanced knowledge of many test questions throughout all our years of nursing school.
Without naming names I left an anon note in front of the office of one of our instructors stating the unfair advantage one study group had. The instructor took it seriously. She knew who to call into her office without my mentioning it.
Of course our the "highly ethical" class valedictorian and her boyfriend from said study group were absolutely incensed. Poor baby after couldn't handle an even ethical playing field.
The people in said study group figured out it was me who told because I had complained to them on a few occasions over a year's time that I felt it was wrong. They didn't talk to me for the rest of school but I still did not regret doing the right thing.
- May 11, '11 by taalyn_1Do the right thing, turn in the test to the instructor and stay in school! Those who cheat will pass the class but they wont pass NCLEX (BUT YOU WILL!!)
- May 11, '11 by Rob72Politics. Scandals endanger accreditation, and may result in faculty being fired. Picking out cheaters also carries the potential of a discrimination suit.
From loooong experience in teaching/University hospitals- determine if you are willing to destroy someone's life (sometimes that is not inappropriate). Get all the documentation you possibly can. When submitting your grievance/claim, make sure that your evidentiary statements are supported by your evidence, and DO NOT make subjective statements. Once your evidence is laid out, THEN make your subjective/experiential statements. Note how this made you feel worthless, depressed, PTSD, trans-gender challenged, whatever. Your position must be unassailable, and largely inarguable. Anything less will get you black-balled.
If you can't stake the vampire's heart, soak him in garlic oil, and bury him in a perpetual fountain of holy water, don't make it a campaign.
- May 11, '11 by WhisperaI'm an instructor and I appreciate it when students alert me to cheating. I don't see everything. When I see it, and/or when they alert me, I watch more carefully and definitely confront the issue.
I have a bit of a different take on what is defined as cheating, however. I see a test as a learning experience, not as just a means to a grade. The questions should be intended to reinforce what the instructor sees as the most valuable information or thought-provocation. They shouldn't be the same questions, in the same order, semester after semester. They should be refined and shuffled, and new things added while old things are removed. I leave copies of my old tests on reserve in the library so students can use them as study guides. If an instructor uses the same test over and over, she is not doing her job.
As for assignments, there are ways of assuring that specific students are doing the work. Signature by an impartial witness on the paper? Observation for sentence structure/word use repetition?
I agree that a student who cheats on assignments and tests probably won't pass NCLEX. Probably, too, somewhere down the line his or her practice will be discovered by an instructor and confronted strongly.
If you report cheating to an instructor, you've done what you can. It's not your responsibility to be the cheating police. It's your job to do the best work you can so you can be a great nurse. Make your mission to be your own personal best. Leave the policing to the school once you've reported it...
- May 11, '11 by WhisperaYou wrote: ..."I found a test and 33 pages of all the material we did in community this semester and a copy of one of the tests that we took."
What are these 33 pages? Where'd you find these things? email? on your desk? in the mailbox? Do you know who sent them? How are the 33 pages a problem? I just need some more info here.
- May 11, '11 by Katie5Are YOU passing the class?
Typical- simply roll over and die because some of your colleagues are unscrupulous.No, do not go back to class, please do not take the exam.
And it is not nice of you to tar all teachers with the same feather.