Why do dying people reach upward? - page 3

I've noticed that when it gets toward the end for people (not necessarily the VERY end, but maybe the last month or so when they have started really going downhill) they will hold their arms upward once in awhile and then let... Read More

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    Quote from FLArn
    Just because we don't believe in something doesn't mean it's not real or true
    Believing something doesn't make it real either. Point in case... The Son of Sam... Was Sam the dog real? Please....

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    When FIL was dying-he kept talking about a friend from his youth and married life. Would say that he talked to him on the phone....FIL passed on the same day of his friends death. He also kept trying to get up TO GO-when asked where? He'd just say it was time to go! In addition, he too exhibited that arms raising/head raising behavior. REACHING FOR PARADISE? I don't know, I'd like to think so.

    Maisy
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    It depends on their spiritual beliefs. The best way I can figure it's like a young child reaching up to their father to be picked up.
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    Quote from pattycakern
    interesting question, but i don't think anecdotal experiences (as many as there may be) prove that any such place exists.
    by definition, existance in another dimension cannot be proved or disproved by the scientific method in this dimension.

    carl sagan can have his hard truth, i have my own hard truth.
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    Quote from MAISY, RN-ER
    When FIL was dying-he kept talking about a friend from his youth and married life. Would say that he talked to him on the phone....FIL passed on the same day of his friends death. He also kept trying to get up TO GO-when asked where? He'd just say it was time to go! In addition, he too exhibited that arms raising/head raising behavior. REACHING FOR PARADISE? I don't know, I'd like to think so.

    Maisy

    Maisy - these are the kind of stories that are included in the book I mentioned, "Final Gifts". The authors are hospice nurses. I'm not finished with the book yet but the stories are "richly told".

    steph
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    This is just my reaction to the posts I have read so far. I just wonder why non believers are trying to discredit the believer's view on this point. If they choose to believe that they are reaching up to God then so be it, but if you belive otherwise then that's fine too. We all are entiltled to our own beliefs and there is no need to impose our beliefs on someone else.
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    Quote from 2bNewRN2010
    This is just my reaction to the posts I have read so far. I just wonder why non believers are trying to discredit the believer's view on this point. If they choose to believe that they are reaching up to God then so be it, but if you belive otherwise then that's fine too. We all are entiltled to our own beliefs and there is no need to impose our beliefs on someone else.
    I was wondering the same thing. The way I see it: the "nonbelievers" get irritated bc they feel like the "believers" are proselytizing so the "nonbelievers," in an attempt to get the "believers" to stop, wind up doing the exact same thing.
    Which is irritating, no offense. If you want to have a "I'm right-No I'm right" argument about religion, online is the exact wrong place to do it. It's too easy to offend someone when they can't see facial expressions or hear tone of voice, and no amount of smilie usage is really going to be the same.

    Of course, I have my own beliefs etc. but I think that if it comforts people (the pt or their family) to think they see God or family members or old pets or a beautiful landscape or Heaven or a house built out of beef jerkey and cheese dip, it's not doing them any harm psychological or otherwise.
    We, above all other professions, know the power and importance of a comforting touch/word/idea, right?
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    Quote from mcs1505
    I was wondering the same thing. The way I see it: the "nonbelievers" get irritated bc they feel like the "believers" are proselytizing so the "nonbelievers," in an attempt to get the "believers" to stop, wind up doing the exact same thing.
    Which is irritating, no offense. If you want to have a "I'm right-No I'm right" argument about religion, online is the exact wrong place to do it. It's too easy to offend someone when they can't see facial expressions or hear tone of voice, and no amount of smilie usage is really going to be the same.

    Of course, I have my own beliefs etc. but I think that if it comforts people (the pt or their family) to think they see God or family members or old pets or a beautiful landscape or Heaven or a house built out of beef jerkey and cheese dip, it's not doing them any harm psychological or otherwise.
    We, above all other professions, know the power and importance of a comforting touch/word/idea, right?
    This is so funny, because I was thinking the same thing, only vice versa. It sounds to me like the people who believe were getting very annoyed with people who held another opinion that did not support spirituality...I honestly do not believe anyone who has argued they do not believe sounded annoyed or irritated with the believers.Take me, for example, what was wrong with giving my objective opinion on what I had seen? I'm being totally honest and objective when I say I have never once been around a dying person (and I've been around many) who has done anything that shows any evidence of an afterlife, and that is why I don't understand the arm raising. That doesn't make me any more wrong than it makes someone who believes people are raising their arms up to God.

    I guess there may be only one way we will all find out.
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    I saw the raising arms thing and calling out for dead (or absent) family members quite a lot in LTC and NH. My own grandmother who was A& Ox3 right up until she passed, woke up at one point asking for her grandfather, who had been dead for decades. It scared me at the time because I knew that meant the end was near but now it comforts me to think that she saw a loved one who came to help her cross over.
    I have also seen those passing over become extremely frightened at the end and start asking "not to go there" wherever "there" is. I don't see much of this now in the ER, usually they come tubed and in the middle of compressions or DOA or with a rhythm (and then over to ICU). I don't really miss seeing death bed scenes like LTC.
    I find as far as believing goes, it hurts nothing to believe in something above, so why argue about it? You believe in what you believe, I'll do the same and solemnly swear not to appear on anyone's doorstep ready to convert people. I'm not that good at convincing people anyway.
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    Quote from lupin
    I saw the raising arms thing and calling out for dead (or absent) family members quite a lot in LTC and NH. My own grandmother who was A& Ox3 right up until she passed, woke up at one point asking for her grandfather, who had been dead for decades. It scared me at the time because I knew that meant the end was near but now it comforts me to think that she saw a loved one who came to help her cross over.
    I have also seen those passing over become extremely frightened at the end and start asking "not to go there" wherever "there" is. I don't see much of this now in the ER, usually they come tubed and in the middle of compressions or DOA or with a rhythm (and then over to ICU). I don't really miss seeing death bed scenes like LTC.
    I find as far as believing goes, it hurts nothing to believe in something above, so why argue about it? You believe in what you believe, I'll do the same and solemnly swear not to appear on anyone's doorstep ready to convert people. I'm not that good at convincing people anyway.
    That's Pascal's Wager and nothing wrong with it at all.
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