Where are the men? - page 4

Why haven't more men entered the field of nursing over the years? Nursing remains at 94.6% female.... Read More

  1. by   thekra
    i am male nurse . I just graguated but I feel a shame of being
    male nurse.
  2. by   sbic56
    Originally posted by thekra
    i am male nurse . I just graguated but I feel a shame of being
    male nurse.
    troll alert
  3. by   OC_An Khe
    ainz sums up my expirience also. And I also understand how someone can feel shame.
    Another earlier posting said its similar to all other female dominated professions. I can't think of another profession dominated by women to the extent that nursing is, or any profession that is so one gender dominated as nursing.
    The profession will not be truly integrated into the 21 st century until the term NURSE has is accepted as applying to both males and females equally and the quite frankly degrading term male nurse dissappers foreever from the lexicon
  4. by   VickyRN
    sjoe wrote in another thread:
    the socialization that girls go through, conditioning them to destroy each other (there are MANY books on this subject, as well as MANY threads about it on this BB, for those who don't know what I mean)
    In my limited experience, I would have to agree with the above. SOME women can be very difficult to work with (cattiness, passive-aggressiveness, backstabbing, gossip, hypocrisy, doing their best to exploit one another's perceived weaknesses and destroy one another professionally). I have not encountered the same with my male peers. Men tend to say what is on their minds, be direct and brutally honest (as difficult as this may be, I prefer this over backstabbing any day). Men don't seem to be affected as much by the brutal eat-or-be-eaten social atmosphere so prevalent EVERYWHERE in nursing. It was my experience that male doctors tend to respect (take seriously, don't blow off) the male nurses more.
  5. by   layna
    A big part of the problem is that men and women solve problems differently. I have been involved in contract negotiations and am shocked at how little the nursing staff knows about their contracts...and when labor relations meetings are set up between staff and management, you were lucky to get one staff member there. It seems to be getting better lately, but the point I want to make to all nurses is this: If you want to make a difference in your profession to attract more men, start doing your homework and establish good working relationships with management. Get rid of the "us verses them" mentality.

    *Please don't equate your whining and complaints to mean that you are standing up for your working conditions and profession. The key to professionalism is through seeking information and being diplomatic.

    May the force be with you all!

    Layna
  6. by   Sekar
    Well as a male, and a Nurse, I've frequently found it amusing to work in our chosen field. Sometimes folks just don't how to take you. Patients vary in their responses. Most of them don't care if you are male or female as long as you know your stuff. There are those females who don't feel comfortable with a male working with them , and the males who just know that you are a homosexual because you are male and a Nurse :roll. The older patients are generally the ones with the most misconceptions or discomfort about males in the nursing field. My patients like me, the older men just had to adjust to a male nurse.
    Docs do treat us differently, especially if you are 6'1" and 225 pounds. They are less likey to get beligerant if you tower over them. I have been known to slowly stand up, walk very close to them, look them in the eye, and do my dead level best to physically intimidate physicians if they won't listen to reason. That is a last resort maneuver and doesn't work well if overused. It generally works although some of them still try to run rough shod over you, if you let them.
    Why aren't there more of us in the field? Poor work conditions, low pay, way too much in fighting, and a lack of unity amoungst nurses in general are the usual reasons I've heard. Female supervisors are usually NOT the problem, sorry to burst any pre-conceived notions but most males in our field just don't have that problem. Perhaps in fields where the mindset is different like construction or manufacturing it is a problem, but not really in nursing.
    I did take a 6 year break, to work in IT for awhile, but I'm back in Nursing and I enjoy it. I'll probably stick around until I'm ready to really retire.
  7. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    We have one male nurse on my floor, and a total of 25 females, counting the PRN nurses (float pool).

    This male nurse has 6 sisters.

    He is married and has 3 little girls, the oldest just turned 14.

    He says all the time he wouldn't know what to do with himself if he went out "with the guys". :chuckle
  8. by   bedpan
    Originally posted by LPN2Be2004
    We have one male nurse on my floor, and a total of 25 females, counting the PRN nurses (float pool).

    This male nurse has 6 sisters.

    He is married and has 3 little girls, the oldest just turned 14.

    He says all the time he wouldn't know what to do with himself if he went out "with the guys". :chuckle

    wow!

    just wow!!!

  9. by   live4today
    Originally posted by kenmill
    ......................... I think nurse recruiters should adjust their thinking and start targeting young highschool males to get them thinking about a career in nursing.
    I totally agree with your statement here, kenmill! TOTALLY!!!
  10. by   goingCOASTAL
    Originally posted by cheerfuldoer
    Men...in general...are intimidated by women in positions of power. It is only human nature for the male species to have a drive within them that dominates and protects their territory around them. Having a woman dominate and control them is NOT the design of men. For those of you who believe in God, we know this to be true. For those of you who do not believe in God...you may or may not get the gest of what I'm saying.

    In fields that are predominantly "female controlled", can we blame men for running the other way....especially if being controlled by women means a man has to cowtow to stupid demands and abuse that nurses (mostly women) love to bestow on each other
    Hmmm. Maybe, maybe not. I'm a guy, and everything I HATE about my job has nothing to do with working with women and has everything to do with how nursing in general is perceived by the HC industry, how expectations far exceed the resources we are given to work with, and how we as workers are generally treated with the same respect as are disposable sanitary napkins.

    Yes, it is a "female" dominated field, and perhaps men leave the profession more because they are culturally less inclined to tolerate a lot of crap nurses have to deal with generally because of our professions history, etc. Unfortunately, men have traditionally had more options when it comes to work, so when it comes down to the chemical plant job with great pay and benefits versus less pay, bad attitudes, and being treated like an idiot slave, some men will pass on it, or leave once they see the truth.

    I must say, I was greatly disappointed coming out of nursing school with the expectation that I would be an equal partner in the healthcare team, and discovering that I was expected to do nothing more than obey the physicians orders and administration's demands. The only thing I often do that actually makes me feel like what I was trained to do is observing for clinical changes. However, as a hospital nurse for most of my 8 years, I often feel powerless to make an impact on patient outcomes other than what I can "suggest" to the decision makers in healthcare (physicians/hospital administration). That, and being made to feel like an easily replaceable commodity are high anxiety points for me, and create the frequent urge to change professions.
  11. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Originally posted by CougRN
    Umm hardly. I'm not intimidated by women in the least bit especially those above me. Men leave the profession because they don't like being looked at like subserviant workers. Men leave because of the look people give them when they say they are a nurse. Only some of us are strong enough to get past that. Plus men want a career that they can support a family with, nursing isn't that career.

    But the whole "female controlled" aspect is a complete myth as to why men would leave the profession. A professional can work for anyone if they are a true professional. Men also leave the field of nursing because it is so unorganized and doesn't show any signs of becoming an organized profession with any power in the near future. Mostly because of the all the infighting between nurses and their reluctance to join their organizations and take an active part in the future of nursing.

    Good post.
  12. by   Tweety
    Originally posted by Geeg
    I don't think we need to be concerned with getting more men into the profession. They don't stay at the bedside, where most of the abuse takes place, for very long. Plus, I think they are given an unfair advantage when they compete against females for management positons, soley due to gender.
    Agree and disagree. I agree men don't stay at the bedside long, unless it is critical care, the ER or OR.

    But I haven't seen unfair promotions in my experience. In fact in our 400 bed hospital we have two managers who are male. All the nursing directors, the recruiter, the information technology nursing manager, the vice president, all the educators, even the CEO (who isn't a nurse) are all female. Perhaps this is due to the CEO being female, but other than unit managers there are no males in the higher up management of nursing.

    In practically all the other departments Environmental Services, Security, Accounting and Finance, on and on the managers and heads of departments are male (except for Human Resources).

    Is my hospital the exception?
  13. by   teeituptom
    Im here

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