What should I do now that I have been kicked out of my clinical class and called a Muslim? - page 4

I'm in a BSN program and was passing all my classes, including 1 clinical that I had a "B" in. During clinical last week, I had an "NPO" patient request water. I was in the room with at least 5 other... Read More

  1. by   lemood712
    Pretty much every single person on this forum is very opinionated about my situation. That's fine. I just wanted to get some advice while I go through the appeals process and discrimination complaint, I wasn't looking for people to pick fights with.
  2. by   canoehead
    Giving opinions, that's why we're all here.
  3. by   Been there,done that
    Feel free to fight it, but it's already a done deal. Your problem is you don't have good eye contact. That is very important in the nursing biz.
    Practice that, in front of a mirror.
  4. by   Persephone Paige
    Quote from lemood712
    You sound crazy. I didn't "snatch" the cup. I just picked it up. There was no force or physical contact involved. and what do you mean "worse than being a Muslim"? There is nothing wrong with being a Muslim. My guess is that you have a problem with Muslims because of gender inequity in certain Muslim countries.
    You said in you're OP, "and I took the cup from her hand." Stop back peddling and read your own words.

    You crossed the line my friend.

    Call me crazy all you like, I didn't get booted from clinicals, you did.

    If you will lie about what you initially wrote, you'll lie about the rest of it. The truth doesn't change. I don't believe you are telling the truth.
  5. by   Emergent
    I have read the whole thread. Based on the inconsistencies of the OP throughout the thread I think the whole story about the Muslim discrimination was made up. I also think it highly unlikely that several college educated professionals all joined together to question the OP about national origin and religion.

    I think the OP is either A) trying to build a story to legally strongarm the school into not booting him/her out of the program or B) is an internet mischief maker stirring the allnurses pot with a subject matter sure to draw an opinionated crowd.
  6. by   wondern
    Big difference between NPO and NPO X ice chips. Ice chips melt and patients get sips with it quite frequently.

    The religion statement was totally uncalled for!

    If it quacks like a duck...
  7. by   Persephone Paige
    Quote from Emergent
    I have read the whole thread. Based on the inconsistencies of the OP throughout the thread I think the whole story about the Muslim discrimination was made up. I also think it highly unlikely that several college educated professionals all joined together to question the OP about national origin and religion.

    I think the OP is either A) trying to build a story to legally strongarm the school into not booting him/her out of the program or B) is an internet mischief maker stirring the allnurses pot with a subject matter sure to draw an opinionated crowd.
    I agree.

    I think there's more to this story than being the only nursing student who got given the boot for giving an NPO patient water ( who was allowed ice chips that will turn into water in 30 seconds flat, which really isn't NPO at all ) for being an Arab, Muslim man. This entire scenario doesn't make sense.

    The OP admitted he doesn't make eye contact and doesn't associate with his peers. Why? Is it because they are female? He admits taking the water from his fellow student's hand so he can give the water himself? Why? Who cares who gives the water, as long as the patient ( who really isn't NPO if he can have ice chips ) gets a drink?

    Not making eye contact, not associating with peers who will soon be team players is a problem. Sometimes I don't have a pen, I don't see another nurse with a pen and go up and take it out of her hand. I also wouldn't take a water cup out of someone's hand, it's the same concept. These are rude, antisocial and disrespectful behaviors.

    The OP needs to ask himself why he thinks this sort of behavior is acceptable? If he feels this sort of behavior is acceptable, then a career choice where serving people and being a team member with women is not wise. Because he will get 'push back,' just like he's getting push back now.

    Why is this okay OP?

    Because if your answer is because it's cultural, then YOU are the one bringing those beliefs/practices into the work/educational environment and not the school. They are there to observe and guide. And if they have attempted to guide you by telling you you need to see others as human and equal and you haven't, then YOU have made it all about your beliefs. Not the school.
  8. by   Emergent
    Quote from Davey Do
    It's been known to happen...

    Seriously, does anyone think the college doesn't know that bringing up religion or national origin in a dismissal meeting is a number one legal no no?
  9. by   RotorRunner
    I actually have no problem believing the OP when he says he was discriminated against. Racism is quite common in this country. I am not shocked in the slightest.

    And who here honestly thinks he should fail nursing school for administering a sip of water to someone who was NPO but allowed ice chips?

    Seriously. Not. A. Big. Deal.

    OP, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, as you come across as a thoughtful and intelligent poster. If this happened as you say it did, I'm very sorry. There may certainly have been additional reasons why they were displeased with your performance that we aren't privy to. But if they're simply basing it on this mistake during clinical, I don't think that's fair. The criticism that you need to make eye contact is quite valid; however, that is probably something you could work on.
    Last edit by RotorRunner on Apr 22
  10. by   Davey Do
    Quote from Emergent
    Seriously, does anyone think the college doesn't know that bringing up religion or national origin in a dismissal meeting is a number one legal no no?
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  11. by   Lisacar130
    I also don't think that especially a first year student should be kicked out for one sip of water on an NPO patient. But the school can do whatever they want to do. They may not have liked you for another reason. You can try to appeal but I would start looking at other schools if I were you.

    It is difficult for a lot of us to believe the religious/racial discrimination thing because while this type of discrimination does exist, nursing in general and especially higher education in this country is known for being particularly liberal and accepting of other cultures. We had many lectures on cultural sensitivity at my school. However, I don't want to say that you are lying as anything is possible. However, unless you have proof or if there are witnesses willing to back up that this happened, I will bet that it won't go anywhere. You can always try though!

    Now that I think of it a little more... do you think you ever said anything that might have been fine in your home country but something they might have considered sexist? Or, did you say that you can't help change or clean up female patients because you are a male? I have heard of conflicts such as this with different cultures working here. Just trying to figure out what might have happened.
  12. by   JadedCPN
    Quote from Lisacar130
    Now that I think of it a little more... do you think you ever said anything that might have been fine in your home country but something they might have considered sexist?
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but at what point in this thread has he mentioned that America was NOT his home country?
    I get why everyone is weary about whether the discrimination part of his story is true or not - I have my own doubts. But working on the assumption that it is - several posters have jumped to some more extreme conclusions and assumptions that seem to be based around the fact that he said he was an Iranian American. I believe some of these comments wouldn't have been made if that information wasn't given. Perhaps, if the story is true, the faculty also had this same type of reaction and it escalated into the current situation.
  13. by   CharleeFoxtrot
    Quote from lemood712
    I personally don't feel like I should have been kicked out so that's why I am appealing. Nursing jargon is riddled with acronyms, and many things can be easily misinterpreted, especially by 1st semester students.
    This, and this alone is why I think you should have been flunked. Not the error mind you, but the sheer inability by you to own this mistake. It is a student's responsibility to know as much as possible about their patient, including nil per os / nothing by mouth orders.

    I am quite sure that somewhere along the line before you got turned loose in the hospital this very common and vitally important acronym was covered in class. Nursing all all about a lot of jargon, and it is the student's responsibility to learn it-or learn the more important lesson which is to ask questions.

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