What should I do now that I have been kicked out of my clinical class and called a Muslim? - page 3

I'm in a BSN program and was passing all my classes, including 1 clinical that I had a "B" in. During clinical last week, I had an "NPO" patient request water. I was in the room with at least 5 other... Read More

  1. by   lemood712
    Quote from sevensonnets
    You were taking care of a patient who was NPO but you didn't know what NPO meant? Sorry, but I'm not buying that part of your story.
    What do you mean you don't buy it? I'm not lying.
  2. by   TruvyNurse
    I feel like we are beating a dead horse here.
    1) you made an error..own it
    2) their racism was awful and wrong
    3) you're appealing your failure
    4) we are a bunch of internet strangers who essentially can do nothing for you but offer words
    5) good luck
  3. by   Persephone Paige
    Sorry, but I'm not buying the racist remark. I'm not suggesting that racism doesn't exist, because I know it does. The chances of an instructor with everything to lose throwing you out of clinical for being a Muslim, is ridiculous.

    There are tons of patients who are NPO who refuse to comply. It's documented. The nurse does not get thrown out. They refuse all the time to comply with NPO, fluid restrictions, etc... Just curious, why did you feel the need to take the cup away from your classmate and give the water yourself? THAT is weird.

    Was the fellow classmate female, by chance?
  4. by   lemood712
    Quote from Persephone Paige
    Sorry, but I'm not buying the racist remark. I'm not suggesting that racism doesn't exist, because I know it does. The chances of an instructor with everything to lose throwing you out of clinical for being a Muslim, is ridiculous.

    There are tons of patients who are NPO who refuse to comply. It's documented. The nurse does not get thrown out. They refuse all the time to comply with NPO, fluid restrictions, etc... Just curious, why did you feel the need to take the cup away from your classmate and give the water yourself? THAT is weird.

    Was the fellow classmate female, by chance?
    DON'T buy it. Even if you did believe me, you have nothing to offer. I didn't say I was thrown out for being a Muslim, I just quoted what I saw and heard. And yes, the other student who gave him water was a female. I was closer to his head. Maybe it was weird. I don't know.
  5. by   lemood712
    Quote from TruvyNurse
    I feel like we are beating a dead horse here.
    1) you made an error..own it
    2) their racism was awful and wrong
    3) you're appealing your failure
    4) we are a bunch of internet strangers who essentially can do nothing for you but offer words
    5) good luck
    You're helping to beat a dead horse by saying I need to own that I made a mistake. I have already said I made a mistake, one that other people made as well. What is wrong with giving the whole picture? Nothing.
  6. by   Persephone Paige
    Students make mistakes all the time. Something is off about this...

    If you weren't thrown out for being Muslim, how can you say you were being discriminated against? Maybe you scared your fellow student by taking the water away from her. THAT would feel a bit aggressive to me.

    People ask me about my ethnicity and religion all the time. I have very curly hair for someone who appears white. As it turns out, I'm Greek. If I feel they have a genuine interest, I talk to them. If I think they aren't, I tell them to piss off.
  7. by   Persephone Paige
    I want to clarify that you are not allowed to be sexist, or aggressive with anyone regardless of ethnicity, color, creed, religion.

    Don't ever place your hands in the area of another person. Ask, "may I please have the cup? I'd like to be the one who causes the patient to get aspiration pneumonia, if you don't mind."

    I'm actually joking about that last part, but you get my drift?

    You cannot place your hand on another to take something away. We learn this in Kindergarten, only the teachers says, "don't snatch, ask nicely."
  8. by   lemood712
    Quote from Persephone Paige
    Students make mistakes all the time. Something is off about this...

    If you weren't thrown out for being Muslim, how can you say you were being discriminated against? Maybe you scared your fellow student by taking the water away from her. THAT would feel a bit aggressive to me.

    People ask me about my ethnicity and religion all the time. I have very curly hair for someone who appears white. As it turns out, I'm Greek. If I feel they have a genuine interest, I talk to them. If I think they aren't, I tell them to piss off.
    I personally don't feel like I should have been kicked out so that's why I am appealing. Nursing jargon is riddled with acronyms, and many things can be easily misinterpreted, especially by 1st semester students. When I filed an internal discrimination complaint, I did not say outright that I was being discriminated against because of my religion or race. I just said what happened and left it up to the reader to investigate and draw a conclusion. No one is a perfect nurse and the people on this thread who are coming after me are prone to mistakes too. I don't think that the girl who was also giving him water first felt aggression when I picked up the cup, but I guess I don't know for a fact. I don't get offended if someone asks what my ethnicity is, but assuming my religion and calling me an Arab is going overboard.
  9. by   canoehead
    I can't get excited about a patient who is allowed ice chips getting a sip of water. Ice melts and becomes water, and anyone who thinks their ice chips patients don't take a swig every now and then is fooling themselves. But the part about being assigned to an NPO patient, and not knowing what NPO meant...that I could see being a kicking out worthy offense, especially if you provided fluids adlib. So maybe the truth was bent a little?

    I don't think its appropriate for school staff to delve into your religion or nationality when they are talking about performance issues. It's a stupid move on their part, because it opens them for a discrimination lawsuit. The smart bigots shut up about such things, and stab you in the back on the sly.
  10. by   Persephone Paige
    Well, whatever you are, you thought it was okay to take the cup away from your fellow student. Perhaps you are just an *******, that would be worse than being a Muslim because there are plenty of misogynistic *******s who overstep their bounds and can't even blame it on culture. At least you could say, "listen, I have a lot to learn, I'm still getting used to this whole, "women are equal" thing and I promise not to snatch a cup from a fellow student ever again." I can promise you that would've gotten you a lot farther than, "you're a racist!"

    People in general, women especially are very sensitive to this. You are entering a primarily female profession, acknowledge that. Keep your hands to yourself!

    I feel pretty confident that it wasn't the NPO, it wasn't the water, it wasn't the ethnicity or religion ( the last two are lazy copouts, btw ). You got called out for snatching that cup from your fellow student. You scared her. She didn't snatch the water from your hand, that's why she's still in clinical and you aren't.

    We all could do with a little sensitivity training, yourself included.
  11. by   lemood712
    Quote from Persephone Paige
    Well, whatever you are, you thought it was okay to take the cup away from your fellow student. Perhaps you are just an *******, that would be worse than being a Muslim because there are plenty of misogynistic *******s who overstep their bounds and can't even blame it on culture. At least you could say, "listen, I have a lot to learn, I'm still getting used to this whole, "women are equal" thing and I promise not to snatch a cup from a fellow student ever again." I can promise you that would've gotten you a lot farther than, "you're a racist!"

    People in general, women especially are very sensitive to this. You are entering a primarily female profession, acknowledge that. Keep your hands to yourself!

    I feel pretty confident that it wasn't the NPO, it wasn't the water, it wasn't the ethnicity or religion ( the last two are lazy copouts, btw ). You got called out for snatching that cup from your fellow student. You scared her. She didn't snatch the water from your hand, that's why she's still in clinical and you aren't.

    We all could do with a little sensitivity training, yourself included.
    You sound crazy. I didn't "snatch" the cup. I just picked it up. There was no force or physical contact involved. and what do you mean "worse than being a Muslim"? There is nothing wrong with being a Muslim. My guess is that you have a problem with Muslims because of gender inequity in certain Muslim countries.
  12. by   TriciaJ
    Actually, if everything you're saying is true, it doesn't sound like much of a school. You were assigned an NPO patient without being taught was NPO means. (Were you supposed to research your patients before clinical?) Students are in a patient room without instructor supervision when it's clear you needed pretty close supervision. Then, when your actions are being discussed with you, race and religion get brought up.

    Is this a for-profit school?
  13. by   Davey Do
    Quote from Sour Lemon
    Assuming this is real, it's a legal issue and not a nursing one. You need a lawyer, not an internet message board.
    Well now Sour Lemon, this internet message board discussion could be a method to argue points and ready oneself for the Big Argument...

    I must have attended nursing school when there was a real perceived shortage of nurses. I had three instances where I got in trouble and was merely put on probation. One was for missing a clinical that I had requested to be excused from and the instructor "forgot" she had given me permission, one was a med error, and the third occurred when I became upset with an instructor. "I thought you were going to hit me", she said.

    Drama Queen.

    It was a good school, having a very high state board pass percentage rate and I graduated with honors, but getting kicked out for giving an NPO patient a sip of water- that's a real bummer.

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