What should I do now that I have been kicked out of my clinical class and called a Muslim? - page 2

I'm in a BSN program and was passing all my classes, including 1 clinical that I had a "B" in. During clinical last week, I had an "NPO" patient request water. I was in the room with at least 5 other... Read More

  1. by   kakamegamama
    Quote from lemood712
    Do you even realize that my patient only took a sip of water and was not harmed or almost killed? If you taught a clinical course and called me a Muslim or an Arab, I would report you. I am not the one who is turning this into an issue of race or religion because I am not the one who brought it up, they did. I hope you never do so in your class because you could be fired.
    Doesn't matter how much your patient had. You violated the safety of the patient, period and you don't seem to get that.

    I have not and will not bring the issue of race or religion into my teaching. I happen to teach Muslims.....a lot, and as a matter of fact, they are the ones who bring religion into the classroom, not me.

    On a side note---why does it bother you to be called a Muslim? If you are not a Muslim, just say you aren't. If you are, own it.
  2. by   lemood712
    Quote from kakamegamama
    Doesn't matter how much your patient had. You violated the safety of the patient, period and you don't seem to get that.

    I have not and will not bring the issue of race or religion into my teaching. I happen to teach Muslims.....a lot, and as a matter of fact, they are the ones who bring religion into the classroom, not me.

    On a side note---why does it bother you to be called a Muslim? If you are not a Muslim, just say you aren't. If you are, own it.
    It bothers me to be called a Muslim by a teacher because they are making an assumption about me because of my race. That is against university policy and is a form of harassment, according to the Office of Institutional Equity. Why do you feel there is nothing wrong with stereotyping students because of their race? And regardless of what your situation is, I never mentioned Islam in my circumstance so that comment was just based on my race.
  3. by   kakamegamama
    Quote from lemood712
    It bothers me to be called a Muslim by a teacher because they are making an assumption about me because of my race. That is against university policy and is a form of harassment, according to the Office of Institutional Equity. Why do you feel there is nothing wrong with stereotyping students because of their race? And regardless of what your situation is, I never mentioned Islam in my circumstance so that comment was just based on my race.
    Then, use that time to educate. Americans who have not been exposed beyond their world often do not know any better. They truly don't. Because of the way I look I am often assumed to be of an ethnicity that I am not, so I get that. I use those opportunities to educate the uninformed, in a professional manner.

    I didn't say I feel there is nothing wrong with stereotyping students because of their race. You have no idea of how I feel or what I think about that issue. Making an assumption is very close to what your faculty members did about you.

    And, is your last statement of never mentioning Islam directed to my comment or your faculties' comments?
  4. by   SpankedInPittsburgh
    Quote from lemood712
    I'm more concerned about what my race and religion have to do with anything. I'm not holding others account, I would just deduce that if I were not present in the room that patient would have had water anyway. I've seen students who had no idea how to use a gait belt and drop patients on the floor that were not kicked out. Also, I do know what's going on with the other students involved because I've talked to them about it.
    You can deduce all you want the fact remains you gave water to an NPO patient. I think the punishment is harsh but welcome to nursing its how we roll
  5. by   NurseCard
    So, getting back to your first post... what are you hoping to accomplish?
    Do you think they will take away the "F", let you back into class, because
    of your complaint that you were called a Muslim?
  6. by   lemood712
    Quote from kakamegamama
    Then, use that time to educate. Americans who have not been exposed beyond their world often do not know any better. They truly don't. Because of the way I look I am often assumed to be of an ethnicity that I am not, so I get that. I use those opportunities to educate the uninformed, in a professional manner.

    I didn't say I feel there is nothing wrong with stereotyping students because of their race. You have no idea of how I feel or what I think about that issue. Making an assumption is very close to what your faculty members did about you.

    And, is your last statement of never mentioning Islam directed to my comment or your faculties' comments?
    I am saying that I never mentioned Islam until the faculty brought it up, so it must be because of my race. I do not think that ignorance is an excuse. How stupid can someone be to not understand that not everyone of a certain race/ethnicity practices a certain religion? Making assumptions about someone because of their race is wrong, period.
  7. by   elkpark
    Quote from kakamegamama
    Your attempt to turn this into a race and religious issue rather than accepting your own culpability is quite concerning. Do you even realize the danger you put your patient in?
    It's entirely possible for this to be both a clinical issue and a "race and religious issue." None of the rest of us were there and we have only the OP's account of what happened, but, taking at face value the comments he reports from his faculty members, they are quite disturbing and I'm not surprised that the OIE office of the school would be taking an interest.
  8. by   lemood712
    Quote from NurseCard
    So, getting back to your first post... what are you hoping to accomplish?
    Do you think they will take away the "F", let you back into class, because
    of your complaint that you were called a Muslim?
    I am going to appeal because this other girl gave him water. She had a straw in the cup and had to take the straw out because he didn't want to drink from the straw. So I was the next one to grab the cup. To me, what we did is basically identical. I think that it's a good thing they harassed me because of my race, because it raises suspicions that they are biased against me. I have the right to appeal, and both the Dean and Office of Institutional Equity are concerned about the faculty. People in this thread can tell me that I did it, it was all me, and there is nothing wrong with calling me a Muslim Arab because of my ethnicity. The fact is, there are laws and policies against harassment and discrimination. Learn them.
  9. by   NurseCard
    Quote from lemood712
    I am going to appeal because this other girl gave him water. She had a straw in the cup and had to take the straw out because he didn't want to drink from the straw. So I was the next one to grab the cup. To me, what we did is basically identical. I think that it's a good thing they harassed me because of my race, because it raises suspicions that they are biased against me. I have the right to appeal, and both the Dean and Office of Institutional Equity are concerned about the faculty. People in this thread can tell me that I did it, it was all me, and there is nothing wrong with calling me a Muslim Arab because of my ethnicity. The fact is, there are laws and policies against harassment and discrimination. Learn them.
    Okay. Well, good luck. I'm with everyone else though, YOU gave the
    patient water. Patient was NPO, YOU gave them water. I understand that
    you feel like you are being discriminated against, I do, but you may be
    wasting a lot of energy here. Even if you WERE discriminated against,
    you gave an NPO patient water which is a huge safety issue.
  10. by   JadedCPN
    Assuming everything in the original post actually happened, there are two separate and serious issues here. The first issue is that YOU blatantly endangered your patient knowing that he was NPO. It doesn't matter if he was okay, it doesn't matter if every one else in the room did it - take accountability and responsibility for what you did. Some experienced clinical instructors have posted and said you would have failed immediately, others will say it is to harsh. Either way you were in the wrong, and trying to use the excuse of other students doing it too will NOT help your case if you are appealing. If you are lucky enough to continue your nursing education, take it as a learning lesson and grow from it.

    The second issue is a completely different beast. Based on the events as you described them, yes that was absolutely wrong and I truly do hope the OIE investigates and intervenes appropriately. Often times, other people have a hard time believing these things actually happen because it seems to crazy to think professionals would be so blatant and obvious like that. Unfortunately I know this does and has happened, and I wish you the best.
  11. by   lemood712
    Quote from NurseCard
    Okay. Well, good luck. I'm with everyone else though, YOU gave the
    patient water. Patient was NPO, YOU gave them water. I understand that
    you feel like you are being discriminated against, I do, but you may be
    wasting a lot of energy here. Even if you WERE discriminated against,
    you gave an NPO patient water which is a huge safety issue.
    I wasn't the only one who gave him water but I was the only one who was penalized. That is not fair. I know that it's not safe to give an NPO patient water. I'm a first semester nursing student and was ignorant of what "NPO" means at the time. No one told us in lecture and we were never tested on it before clinical or during the semester. By giving the whole picture, I am not blaming others. I think it is fair to consider other viewpoints. That's all.
  12. by   lemood712
    It won't help my case to point out that I received a penalty for doing almost exactly the same thing as another student, who did not get kicked out? I think that is a reasonable thing to consider. I do not see how saying that means I don't think I did anything wrong. The two are not entirely different. If there is suspicion of bias against me, it will not look good on them and they will be less likely to be trusted during an appeal. Many people are sensitive to issues of racial discrimination and could cut me slack.
  13. by   sevensonnets
    You were taking care of a patient who was NPO but you didn't know what NPO meant? Sorry, but I'm not buying that part of your story.

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